Still talking about Foster
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'Never felt so alone': Foster lifts lid on battles with NZ Rugby bosses
Former All Blacks' frustrations began before he coached his first All Blacks test.
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Very touching how Ardie reached out when he was at his lowest point. The players really had his back, Gilbert Enokas statement too was an incredible endorsement.
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@canefan said in Still talking about Foster:
@gt12 said in Still talking about Foster:
Anyone bought it? Apparently he explains that he actually wanted Joseph and Brown on his original team.
So they turned him down?
I dunno, that's why I'm asking if someone has read it
From a post on FB:
His preferred coaching duo—Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown—slipped away during New Zealand Rugby’s glacial appointment process.
What he got instead were last-minute substitutes in John Plumtree and Brad Mooar, talented but not quite ready for the furnace of All Blacks expectations.
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Yeah - he explains his frustrations that the process took so long after the 2019 RWC and believed it should have been concluded in “days”.
He had agreement from those two to come over. Joseph would have been forwards coach.
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@zedsdeadbaby said in Still talking about Foster:
Yeah - he explains his frustrations that the process took so long after the 2019 RWC and believed it should have been concluded in “days”.
He had agreement from those two to come over. Joseph would have been forwards coach.
Another mark against the NZRU board.
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@zedsdeadbaby said in Still talking about Foster:
Yeah - he explains his frustrations that the process took so long after the 2019 RWC and believed it should have been concluded in “days”.
He had agreement from those two to come over. Joseph would have been forwards coach.
Talk about a sliding door moment. JJ manages the forwards, TB manages the backs.....
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Interesting book. Easy read. I think he was still probably a flawed coach but didn’t have a lot go his way and NZR’s power brokers don’t come off looking great (albeit from a biased POV) - whatever you thought of the tenure.
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@zedsdeadbaby said in Still talking about Foster:
Yeah - he explains his frustrations that the process took so long after the 2019 RWC and believed it should have been concluded in “days”.
He had agreement from those two to come over. Joseph would have been forwards coach.
um that would have been a good coaching team methinks.
I've been a Foster as coach critic but I've also said as a team manager type he seems to have been quite popular with the players. And as more a coach-manager than a strategy / tactics coach .. oh well, we'll never know now. -
Got a copy of the Ian Foster autobiography.
It's really interesting. His account of NZR is unsurprising - basically focussed on commercial bling over the success of the game in general.
However, he seems weirdly thin skinned and unwilling to accept issues with the team. Surprised that the 2020 review focussed on the loss to Argentina - and thought his assistants Mooar and Plumtree got overly harsh reviews. He was initially gobsmacked that they wouldn't get contract extensions until late in 2021 -- there are some good points around difficulty in keeping coaches on - but I don't think he should have been reappointed for what it's worth.
Seems a decent dude, humble and a down to earth character, but surprisingly defensive. Some real snark in there about theming campaigns and NZR leaning on him to fire people they saw as difficult.
Halfway through, so will report back in at the end if there is anything else. Decent bloke, but I'd have let him go after 2 years. Then again, I wouldn't sell the family silver to the 'lake either, so i'm clearly not cut out for corporate governance.
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@sparky said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp Although SJK was a level above Ian Foster as a player. He really carved it up for the All Blacks and Auckland on the right wing in the late 80s/early 90s.
totally. Hence my 'legend of the game' comment.
And can break down an animal as well at a pinch
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@sparky said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp Although SJK was a level above Ian Foster as a player. He really carved it up for the All Blacks and Auckland on the right wing in the late 80s/early 90s.
…..and they were both much better players than Henry, Hart and Hansen
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@MN5 said in Still talking about Foster:
@sparky said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp Although SJK was a level above Ian Foster as a player. He really carved it up for the All Blacks and Auckland on the right wing in the late 80s/early 90s.
…..and they were both much better players than Henry, Hart and Hansen
Great players don't necessarily make great coaches. Scott Hansen seems like he suffers from small man syndrome though, maybe Ryan as well if he couldn't see his way clear to give some players a second chance for the good of the entire team
