All Blacks v Argentina II
-
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The backrow have all been 7's and the backline 10-15 are all historically outside backs. :face_with_tears_of_joy:
Where have the specialists gone?
Razor has said he wants people who can play multiple positions. I'm guessing he's of the belief that success comes from an ability to cover injuries.
Perhaps he should consider that success comes from having the best players in their best positions...?
As I alluded to in my post first test rant, I think the team can finally "move on" when Beaudy and Ardie are gone.
They are akin to latter career Cristiano Ronaldo.
Former worldies, who cause you headaches in team dynamic and team selection with their inclusion. Thats harsh on Savea granted but I think it definitely applies to Barrett.
Their deficiencies used to be masked by their propensity to pull highlight reel rabbits out of the hat. Cheat code players.
In Barretts case the candle has dimmed, and in Savea's, he always upset the balance of the backrow size wise and has a penchant of trying to do everything on his own.
The forwards and backs revolve around their selection, line out options, play making duties etc.
Read, Carter, Ben Smith
Savea, McKenzie, BarrettOne of those trio's embodies clarity of role and specialisation.
The other trio is a bunch of stray Jack Russells frolicking in a rubbish dump.
Move on from guy who was voted world player of the year 4 test matches ago?
Move on from the player who saved our skin 2 tests ago?
-
Move on from guy who was voted world player of the year 4 test matches ago?
Move on from the player who saved our skin 2 tests ago?
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Move on from guy who was voted world player of the year 4 test matches ago?
Move on from the player who saved our skin 2 tests ago.
Not necessarily. But I think he should have always been a 7.
That’s why in my post I said I was being harsh on him.He can be both our best player and the team could be more balanced or functional without him at the same time.
I think both things can be true in parallel.
- Finau
- Savea
- Sotutu
Could have been a runner if Ardie had stayed at 7.
He played 6 against Ireland in the 2019 World Cup 46-14 towelling of the Irish funnily enough.
-
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The backrow have all been 7's and the backline 10-15 are all historically outside backs. :face_with_tears_of_joy:
Where have the specialists gone?
Razor has said he wants people who can play multiple positions. I'm guessing he's of the belief that success comes from an ability to cover injuries.
Perhaps he should consider that success comes from having the best players in their best positions...?
As I alluded to in my post first test rant, I think the team can finally "move on" when Beaudy and Ardie are gone.
They are akin to latter career Cristiano Ronaldo.
Former worldies, who cause you headaches in team dynamic and team selection with their inclusion. Thats harsh on Savea granted but I think it definitely applies to Barrett.
Their deficiencies used to be masked by their propensity to pull highlight reel rabbits out of the hat. Cheat code players.
In Barretts case the candle has dimmed, and in Savea's, he always upset the balance of the backrow size wise and has a penchant of trying to do everything on his own.
The forwards and backs revolve around their selection, line out options, play making duties etc.
Read, Carter, Ben Smith
Savea, McKenzie, BarrettOne of those trio's embodies clarity of role and specialisation.
The other trio is a bunch of stray Jack Russells frolicking in a rubbish dump.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Read, Carter, Ben Smith
Savea, McKenzie, BarrettOne of those trio's embodies clarity of role and specialisation.
The other trio is a bunch of stray Jack Russells frolicking in a rubbish dump.
I'm a Ben Smith fan but in the ABs he played in at least 3 or more positions, not his fault, wasn't necessarily ideal, but doesn't help your argument.
-
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Read, Carter, Ben Smith
Savea, McKenzie, BarrettOne of those trio's embodies clarity of role and specialisation.
The other trio is a bunch of stray Jack Russells frolicking in a rubbish dump.
I'm a Ben Smith fan but in the ABs he played in at least 3 or more positions, not his fault, wasn't necessarily ideal, but doesn't help your argument.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Read, Carter, Ben Smith
Savea, McKenzie, BarrettOne of those trio's embodies clarity of role and specialisation.
The other trio is a bunch of stray Jack Russells frolicking in a rubbish dump.
I'm a Ben Smith fan but in the ABs he played in at least 3 or more positions, not his fault, wasn't necessarily ideal, but doesn't help your argument.
Dagg.....can I throw in a Dagg?
-
As a kiwi overseas you can always throw in a dagg
-
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Move on from guy who was voted world player of the year 4 test matches ago?
Move on from the player who saved our skin 2 tests ago.
Not necessarily. But I think he should have always been a 7.
That’s why in my post I said I was being harsh on him.He can be both our best player and the team could be more balanced or functional without him at the same time.
I think both things can be true in parallel.
- Finau
- Savea
- Sotutu
Could have been a runner if Ardie had stayed at 7.
He played 6 against Ireland in the 2019 World Cup 46-14 towelling of the Irish funnily enough.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Move on from guy who was voted world player of the year 4 test matches ago?
Move on from the player who saved our skin 2 tests ago.
Not necessarily. But I think he should have always been a 7.
That’s why in my post I said I was being harsh on him.He can be both our best player and the team could be more balanced or functional without him at the same time.
I think both things can be true in parallel.
- Finau
- Savea
- Sotutu
Could have been a runner if Ardie had stayed at 7.
He played 6 against Ireland in the 2019 World Cup 46-14 towelling of the Irish funnily enough.
Funnily enough Ardie was never a good enough 7 to win World player of the year, so perhaps his best position ie really 8?
-
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Move on from guy who was voted world player of the year 4 test matches ago?
Move on from the player who saved our skin 2 tests ago.
Not necessarily. But I think he should have always been a 7.
That’s why in my post I said I was being harsh on him.He can be both our best player and the team could be more balanced or functional without him at the same time.
I think both things can be true in parallel.
- Finau
- Savea
- Sotutu
Could have been a runner if Ardie had stayed at 7.
He played 6 against Ireland in the 2019 World Cup 46-14 towelling of the Irish funnily enough.
I like that backrow.
-
Just been wondering this week about coaching group etc and who is reponsible or takes responsibility?
After halftime Jase Ryan on TV named Reece as a player doing a dumb thing that was hurting ABs (no mention of forwards etc?)-Forward coach
Hansen next day made mention that forwards weren't giving TJ decent ball behind ruck etc.- Inside back coach
And after game Razor just said they weren't doing what they were training -head coach
Almost like everyone saying, it's not my fault isn't it??Taking the piss a bit fellas, but have been having a bit of a chuckle about it all week!
-
-
Well Rieko Ioane and Caleb Clarke are better athletes than all of the SA backs.
I'm starting to run out of patience with Mckenzie. I was a fan but he's really struggled in a number of facets at 10.
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Well Rieko Ioane and Caleb Clarke are better athletes than all of the SA backs.
Yeah, nah
-
Well Rieko Ioane and Caleb Clarke are better athletes than all of the SA backs.
I'm starting to run out of patience with Mckenzie. I was a fan but he's really struggled in a number of facets at 10.
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Well Rieko Ioane and Caleb Clarke are better athletes than all of the SA backs.
I'm starting to run out of patience with Mckenzie. I was a fan but he's really struggled in a number of facets at 10.
Matfield was on about Cullen in that video.
I see Will Jordan as the closest modern day version we have. He is something to be fearful of. We need him in the backfield. Forget about comms, and playmaking. That will come with time in the saddle. We need his legs back there.
Every new test season in years gone by we unleashed a Rocokoko, a Sivivatu, an Aaron Smith. We always trusted upcoming talent and the effervescence of youth.
I think latter day Hansen, Foster and now Razor are conservative. Scared. The stakes are too high.
You could throw in a Toeava back in the day and get away with it.
They need to be bolder.
Do we have the cattle of yesteryear....no.
But its no reason to be cowards either.
Give the other teams something to worry about. Fresh problems to solve.
We are predictable.
We need Roigard at 9 and Jordan at 15 between now and next RWC based on the current playing pool. They are our points of difference.
-
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Well Rieko Ioane and Caleb Clarke are better athletes than all of the SA backs.
Yeah, nah
-
In terms of power, mass x velocity they are. SAs big backs are slower and their fast backs are smaller. Rieko and Caleb have size and speed/acceleration combined.
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
In terms of power, mass x acceleration they are. SAs big backs are slower and their fast backs are smaller. Rieko and Caleb have size and speed/acceleration combined.
Kriel and Am say hi
-
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
In terms of power, mass x acceleration they are. SAs big backs are slower and their fast backs are smaller. Rieko and Caleb have size and speed/acceleration combined.
Kriel and Am say hi
Neither of those guys are as big or fast as Rieko or Clarke.
-
Neither of those guys are as big or fast as Rieko or Clarke.
-
Yes I'm not arguing actual rugby ability.
Victor Matfield in the video said when he played the All Blacks they always had guys thay were bigger and faster athletes in the backs and he said that wasn't the case with last weekends team.
I think he has a point.
But I also think that the inclusion of Clarke and Ioane change the backline dynamic from last week.
-
Yes I'm not arguing actual rugby ability.
Victor Matfield in the video said when he played the All Blacks they always had guys thay were bigger and faster athletes in the backs and he said that wasn't the case with last weekends team.
I think he has a point.
But I also think that the inclusion of Clarke and Ioane change the backline dynamic from last week.
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Yes I'm not arguing actual rugby ability.
Victor Matfield in the video said when he played the All Blacks they always had guys thay were bigger and faster athletes in the backs and he said that wasn't the case with last weekends team.
I think he has a point.
But I also think that the inclusion of Clarke and Ioane change the backline dynamic from last week.
I alluded to it in a previous post a few days back.
When you are lining up for the haka and you are looking across at Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Even when we used to lose a game the opposition had a tough day at the office.
Not so much now. We are a nice bunch of lads. Picking opponents up off the turf. Media trained to the nines. Nice skin fades. Nice boots. Sanitised.
I sound Jurassic but it's true.
There are no nasty bastards in the team.
All fur coat and no knickers.
