All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@KiwiMurph as soon as each and every Scott Robertson dickrider has come to terms with reality
So no.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@KiwiMurph as soon as each and every Scott Robertson dickrider has come to terms with reality
So no.
There's a button you can push... it would be better if people also stopped quoting cos button didn't stop that, sadly
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We've almost certainly lost the RC for the first time in years, have a team which goes to pieces in the last 20 minutes, a forward pack which is the epitome of inconsistency and a stuttering backline with minimal penetration. Not forgetting we have yet another "must win" game - this time against the 8th placed team in the world.
But the big, big argument seems to be it's nothing to worry about and the real important issue, deemed worthy of detailed analysis, is whether the current bloke in charge is less shit than the previous bloke.
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Speaking of upward curves and longterm issues
If I can suggest one glaring issue from a quick glance at match stats, our reserve bench almost never add points since the start of 2023 against major teams.
https://www.rugbydatabase.co.nz/team/index.php?teamId=3The few that have are fast players for their position, DMac, Ioane, Coles etc.
Newell is there but in general we don't seem to be tiring the opposition, at most we are lucky to surprise them. Going back to 2023 reduced RWC, Clarke scored 1 off the bench against Oz but overall our bench is not a weapon.I suggest the AB bench has been conservative and expecting to maintain a standard or push ahead due to supposed superior fitness - but if so, it isn't working.
Further, usually there are 3 or so tries by backs for every single try by forwards but there haven't been many tries overall apart from blowouts against minnows. Quite clearly one factor is the Bok's impressive defence:
https://www.rugbydatabase.co.nz/competition/index.php?competitionId=1546I'm interested to see how the bench does in the Bledisloe.
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It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
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It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The fuck? Has Landers not posted the team yet?
@Landers92 what's the go bro?
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@Victor-Meldrew I think the record number of Test losses in a year is 5 in 1998. We're on to equal or better that - in fairness off 14 games not 7, but hey.
I really hope we're on the upward curve, but I'm yet to be convinced
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew I think the record number of Test losses in a year is 5 in 1998. We're on to equal or better that - in fairness off 14 games not 7, but hey.
I really hope we're on the upward curve, but I'm yet to be convinced
6 In 1949. But it has huge asterisk that the team losing four in SA without any Maori players, was playing at the same time as the best of the rest losing two (at home) to Aus.
So 5 can be considered worst by unconditionally selected team.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew I think the record number of Test losses in a year is 5 in 1998. We're on to equal or better that - in fairness off 14 games not 7, but hey.
I really hope we're on the upward curve, but I'm yet to be convinced
6 In 1949. But it has huge asterisk that the team losing four in SA without any Maori players, was playing at the same time as the best of the rest losing two (at home) to Aus.
So 5 can be considered worst by unconditionally selected team.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The fuck? Has Landers not posted the team yet?
@Landers92 what's the go bro?
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The fuck? Has Landers not posted the team yet?
@Landers92 what's the go bro?
Hahaha. Hopefully have some chat mid next week, always helps that they are back in NZ as well. Will try my best
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.
If Razor had picked more form players from SR, I don't think he would have seen the level of discourse he's seeing now
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
I can kinda understand why he did go with what he did, mostly what he knew and then deferred to Ryan as well.
Maybe the EOYT is when we will see something a bit different (c 2002 ABs)
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.
Either of those would seriously disappointing when you consider Razor and his coaching staff were named 12 months or so prior to his first test.
They knew what they were getting into.
It's an unheard of amount of lead in time.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.
Either of those would seriously disappointing when you consider Razor and his coaching staff were named 12 months or so prior to his first test.
They knew what they were getting into.
It's an unheard of amount of lead in time.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.
Either of those would seriously disappointing when you consider Razor and his coaching staff were named 12 months or so prior to his first test.
They knew what they were getting into.
It's an unheard of amount of lead in time.
Unheard of? Lol utter bullshit. Hansen was supposed to stand down 2016, so foster had over two fucking years.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.
Either of those would seriously disappointing when you consider Razor and his coaching staff were named 12 months or so prior to his first test.
They knew what they were getting into.
It's an unheard of amount of lead in time.
Unheard of? Lol utter bullshit. Hansen was supposed to stand down 2016, so foster had over two fucking years.
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It has to be said that 2024 is a very demanding itinerary for a young rebuilding AB team
Agreed. You can't keep looking at everything through the lens of the McCaw era.
It's not the losses that are annoying me.
It's the missed opportunity to turn the page on a number of these experienced players.
Razor needs to shape his own team not pick a team from the last RWC cycle.
Maybe AB coaches feel such pressure from fans and history they select far more conservatively than we might expect? Or maybe this is a result of consensus amongst the coaching team.
Either of those would seriously disappointing when you consider Razor and his coaching staff were named 12 months or so prior to his first test.
They knew what they were getting into.
It's an unheard of amount of lead in time.
Unheard of? Lol utter bullshit. Hansen was supposed to stand down 2016, so foster had over two fucking years.
I'm talking about from being officially named coach.
