All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham
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Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
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@game_film said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
God bless @Jet
On my way into a gig now in Madrid.
A lot of liquor on board , with aforementioned 40th looming.
Will log in “mañana” my time and take my medicine.
Love you all.
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@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
On that I'll disciplined PoS display, Ireland sand France will chew us up and spit us out. But hopefully we've learnt...
... Yeah rightI dunno. Discipline was utter shite and arguably the worst this year, but that was a huge improvement in the last 40 minutes compared to recent crap served up - we didn't actually go completely to pieces and played really well for at least 10-15 minutes.
#slight sarcasm alert#
Back handed compliments. The bar is so low for the ABs right now....
Our lineout is crap, leadership is crap, composure is crap, discipline is crap, inside backs crap
Still cant wait for the next game. Bring it on.@BerniesCorner It was noticeable how much George was communicating clearly with Gardner, developing good rapport. S Barrett very few times, just seems absent, probably needing to concentrate on his own game as he has been a little flat recently.
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@canefan what if, they somehow manage to win the next 2 playing so ugly...learning to win ugly will surely lead to some 'prettier' wins down the road?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@canefan what if, they somehow manage to win the next 2 playing so ugly...learning to win ugly will surely lead to some 'prettier' wins down the road?
Yes, we know they are a work in progress. And an ugly win is still a win, hopefully it can be a confidence building block
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@Jet No chance. England didn't look like scoring all game. They were heading for a complete drubbing before that intercept. If that doesn't happen we probably finish the game 20 up.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
England didn't look like scoring all game.
Oh yes they did. Every 10 mins or so thanks to our utterly shit discipline.
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After not playing for 6 weeks we get one we shouldn't have, the guys will take that, put it through the system.
Sititi doesn't miss a step after not playing!! thought BB kept us in it with a couple of touches, but also put us under pressure.
Better final 20!! 10-3 to ABs!! -
England were so military medium it wasn’t funny; they barely threatened the NZ line; were outscored 3 tries to 1; and yet despite being bloody rubbish were cms away from winning that one
Be happy with the win
But don’t be happy with that performance
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Props to Telea, Cane and Big Patty - and Sititi is a beast. That was ugly, but what a great win. I do worry we lack a bit of game management/technical planning in our coaching set up. Some exciting young players coming through though. Well played England, really enjoy watching them play - silly move taking Smith off. He’s dynamite.
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@BerniesCorner It was noticeable how much George was communicating clearly with Gardner, developing good rapport. S Barrett very few times, just seems absent, probably needing to concentrate on his own game as he has been a little flat recently.
@DMack said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@BerniesCorner It was noticeable how much George was communicating clearly with Gardner, developing good rapport. S Barrett very few times, just seems absent, probably needing to concentrate on his own game as he has been a little flat recently.
It’s ok, he’s just caretaking for Sititi in 2 years
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On paper you’ve got your win, but England had a kick to win with 90 seconds on the clock and bottled it.
Let’s get real here.
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England were so military medium it wasn’t funny; they barely threatened the NZ line; were outscored 3 tries to 1; and yet despite being bloody rubbish were cms away from winning that one
Be happy with the win
But don’t be happy with that performance
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
England were so military medium it wasn’t funny; they barely threatened the NZ line; were outscored 3 tries to 1; and yet despite being bloody rubbish were cms away from winning that one
Be happy with the win
But don’t be happy with that performance
Agreed, for the marketing it was a poor performance but we take the win and move on.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
How good was Tosi
This. I was packing it when he came on and there were a bunch of scrums. he was massive.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
How good was Tosi
This. I was packing it when he came on and there were a bunch of scrums. he was massive.
To be fair he actually is massive.
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That was the stupidest All Black performance I've ever seen. It reminded me of the Ron Cribb team.
Look, I'll take the win & on balance I think we deserved it. We cut them open so many times but then stupid decisions, being one of giving away a penalty, passing un necessarily or just stone cold dropping the ball cost us so many times. I was furious at Gardner as I thought he was pandering to the crowd, but in truth, we were our own worst enemy here. Has any team in the history of rugby ever given away 4 penalties for off the ball tackles? Just chatting to my neighbour who went with Adidas and sat with a lot of ex AB's, they were all wondering why we kept doing it and said that we got away with a few. Insane that we could get away with a few when being pinged 4 times. It was just idiot decision after idiot decision, culminating with Ratima passing to Marcus Smith. If it wasn't for George Ford, we would have lost that game.
England had some jolly good players out there on show. None more so than Feyi-Waboso who looked truly electric ball in hand. Marcus Smith, terrible drop goals aside, played very well and I thought the support play of their back row was handy too. Cunningham South was fun to watch, although the NFL antics are not for me. Their starting props also had the measure of us too, I thought. Pleasantly surprised to see that the Walrus hasn't lost his touch calling is pet, Itoje, other worldly post match. He didn't play bad, but many were better. Itoje's biggest moment was screaming like a 3 year old girl at the ref for a supposed high shot. Enjoyed Gardner telling him where to go.
As for us, well, where to start. Telea's best in a while back to his eel slippery best, and 2 superb tries, one rather Jonah esque. Sititi is a real find, like a REAL find, potential AB superstar here. Aumua made a couple of noticeable errors (not the only one though) with the lineouts, but around the field was superb. Patty T an absolutely inspired sub with some wrecking ball runs. His position at test level has been found & hopefully he will be subbed on against worn down defence again. Shocking drop at the end, but dropsies was an AB problem today. Additionally, I thought Savea played well, which seem to not be the consensus. Cane a bit anonymous, but did make a couple of big plays at crucial times. On the flip side, I thought our backline was pretty fucked, on the whole. They looked like a bunch of blokes standing around, not a backline. Cannot remember one crisp structured passing play & the ball often went to somebody standing still. I'm not sold on our centres at all, although ALB (two YC in one play, go son) didn't cover himself in glory. Jordy runs like a prop and I think Ioane needs space. Back 3 looked pretty good when they got the ball, but given what it had to get through for them to get it, that was a bloody miracle.
I take heart in that there really is real talent in this team. It's just a matter of harnessing it, and then controlling it. Thats supposed to be the coaches job, and Scotty, I'm just not seeing it. You've got a busy week ahead of you.
Roll on next week, we needed a tight win to launch into Ireland and we got it. Can we build off this? I hope so, but on the evidence witnessed, it's going to take a large step up in rugby intellect.
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Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
Who tweeted that?
Might be a clue into why the opinion doesn't fit the facts.
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@BerniesCorner It was noticeable how much George was communicating clearly with Gardner, developing good rapport. S Barrett very few times, just seems absent, probably needing to concentrate on his own game as he has been a little flat recently.
@DMack said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@BerniesCorner It was noticeable how much George was communicating clearly with Gardner, developing good rapport. S Barrett very few times, just seems absent, probably needing to concentrate on his own game as he has been a little flat recently.
Scooter was quiet tonight generally.
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Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
With the ref mic really obvious on the stream England were continually in his ear. We were silent. Which shows a lack of brains on our part - refs are now used to stuff taht would have been 10m and/or penalized a decade ago - we need to get with the gamemanship, not be all holier than thou bullshit.
Same could be said for forwards based rugby, but it is not our DNA
It bloody well used to be, like versus the Lions BitD, so it could be again - we used to be scarey up front and the refs were scared of us -
England were so military medium it wasn’t funny; they barely threatened the NZ line; were outscored 3 tries to 1; and yet despite being bloody rubbish were cms away from winning that one
Be happy with the win
But don’t be happy with that performance
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
England were so military medium it wasn’t funny; they barely threatened the NZ line; were outscored 3 tries to 1; and yet despite being bloody rubbish were cms away from winning that one
Be happy with the win
But don’t be happy with that performance
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That was the stupidest All Black performance I've ever seen. It reminded me of the Ron Cribb team.
Look, I'll take the win & on balance I think we deserved it. We cut them open so many times but then stupid decisions, being one of giving away a penalty, passing un necessarily or just stone cold dropping the ball cost us so many times. I was furious at Gardner as I thought he was pandering to the crowd, but in truth, we were our own worst enemy here. Has any team in the history of rugby ever given away 4 penalties for off the ball tackles? Just chatting to my neighbour who went with Adidas and sat with a lot of ex AB's, they were all wondering why we kept doing it and said that we got away with a few. Insane that we could get away with a few when being pinged 4 times. It was just idiot decision after idiot decision, culminating with Ratima passing to Marcus Smith. If it wasn't for George Ford, we would have lost that game.
England had some jolly good players out there on show. None more so than Feyi-Waboso who looked truly electric ball in hand. Marcus Smith, terrible drop goals aside, played very well and I thought the support play of their back row was handy too. Cunningham South was fun to watch, although the NFL antics are not for me. Their starting props also had the measure of us too, I thought. Pleasantly surprised to see that the Walrus hasn't lost his touch calling is pet, Itoje, other worldly post match. He didn't play bad, but many were better. Itoje's biggest moment was screaming like a 3 year old girl at the ref for a supposed high shot. Enjoyed Gardner telling him where to go.
As for us, well, where to start. Telea's best in a while back to his eel slippery best, and 2 superb tries, one rather Jonah esque. Sititi is a real find, like a REAL find, potential AB superstar here. Aumua made a couple of noticeable errors (not the only one though) with the lineouts, but around the field was superb. Patty T an absolutely inspired sub with some wrecking ball runs. His position at test level has been found & hopefully he will be subbed on against worn down defence again. Shocking drop at the end, but dropsies was an AB problem today. Additionally, I thought Savea played well, which seem to not be the consensus. Cane a bit anonymous, but did make a couple of big plays at crucial times. On the flip side, I thought our backline was pretty fucked, on the whole. They looked like a bunch of blokes standing around, not a backline. Cannot remember one crisp structured passing play & the ball often went to somebody standing still. I'm not sold on our centres at all, although ALB (two YC in one play, go son) didn't cover himself in glory. Jordy runs like a prop and I think Ioane needs space. Back 3 looked pretty good when they got the ball, but given what it had to get through for them to get it, that was a bloody miracle.
I take heart in that there really is real talent in this team. It's just a matter of harnessing it, and then controlling it. Thats supposed to be the coaches job, and Scotty, I'm just not seeing it. You've got a busy week ahead of you.
Roll on next week, we needed a tight win to launch into Ireland and we got it. Can we build off this? I hope so, but on the evidence witnessed, it's going to take a large step up in rugby intellect.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
That was the stupidest All Black performance I've ever seen
You didn't watch the Japan game then
Cannot remember one crisp structured passing play & the ball often went to somebody standing still.
We had a great move with deception and passing to someone at speed from set play, and that resulted in Jordan scoring. Why not more if this rather than playing flat but with no speed, we just get eaten up byt rush defence. The taiking the ball standing still grips my shit everyime it happens. So it has been a long time since I've enjoyed an AB game, cos it has been going of for years and is so fkn dumb
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England were so military medium it wasn’t funny; they barely threatened the NZ line; were outscored 3 tries to 1; and yet despite being bloody rubbish were cms away from winning that one
Be happy with the win
But don’t be happy with that performance
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
England were so military medium it wasn’t funny; they barely threatened the NZ line; were outscored 3 tries to 1; and yet despite being bloody rubbish were cms away from winning that one
Be happy with the win
But don’t be happy with that performance
That’s a pretty accurate assessment,
Now my gut tells me Ireland may be too accurate and clinical for us , unless we have another gear to go to.
