Italy v All Blacks
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Word is Stephen P at 10, Ruben Love and Fabian Holland both starting.
So not exactly the top team.
@Mr-Fish said in New Zealand v Italy:
Word is Stephen P at 10, Ruben Love and Fabian Holland both starting.
So not exactly the top team.
Interesting. We are hearing different things.
I haven’t been able to get the line up but told there won’t be anything too crazy happening. Hope that’s wrong, would love to see some change in the backs where possible.
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@Mr-Fish said in New Zealand v Italy:
Word is Stephen P at 10, Ruben Love and Fabian Holland both starting.
So not exactly the top team.
Interesting. We are hearing different things.
I haven’t been able to get the line up but told there won’t be anything too crazy happening. Hope that’s wrong, would love to see some change in the backs where possible.
@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Mr-Fish said in New Zealand v Italy:
Word is Stephen P at 10, Ruben Love and Fabian Holland both starting.
So not exactly the top team.
Interesting. We are hearing different things.
I haven’t been able to get the line up but told there won’t be anything too crazy happening. Hope that’s wrong, would love to see some change in the backs where possible.
Upvote for the Intel, a shame if they don't at least try one or two guys
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Looks like they'll give TJ and Cane some time, farewell match and all that.
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Looks like they'll give TJ and Cane some time, farewell match and all that.
@Jailbreak7 said in New Zealand v Italy:
Looks like they'll give TJ and Cane some time, farewell match and all that.
Ugh. Cane had his farewell, a win away against Ireland. Ratima and Roigard both have things to work on.
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Looks like they'll give TJ and Cane some time, farewell match and all that.
@Jailbreak7 said in New Zealand v Italy:
Looks like they'll give TJ and Cane some time, farewell match and all that.
Also heard Cane starting, TJ not.
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Should also caveat my info with the fact I've got no past experience with my source so take with a grain of salt...
@Mr-Fish said in New Zealand v Italy:
Should also caveat my info with the fact I've got no past experience with my source so take with a grain of salt...
Coming from you, I suppose it could be fishy…
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@Jailbreak7 said in New Zealand v Italy:
Looks like they'll give TJ and Cane some time, farewell match and all that.
Ugh. Cane had his farewell, a win away against Ireland. Ratima and Roigard both have things to work on.
@reprobate said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Jailbreak7 said in New Zealand v Italy:
Looks like they'll give TJ and Cane some time, farewell match and all that.
Ugh. Cane had his farewell, a win away against Ireland. Ratima and Roigard both have things to work on.
It is wasteful to take valuable minutes away from players of the present and future who need them in favour of a farewell bow for a less able older player. TJP got his farewell in front of home fans earlier in the year. Cane as you say got to leave triumphant after Dublin. Move aside and play the young bucks who have shown they already belong. Razor will probably do exactly the opposite of what I'd like to see, which is to play Aumua, DMac, Cam and Ratima, and Lakai
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@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:
Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.
Or be in the 23 for that matter.
@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:
Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.
Or be in the 23 for that matter.
I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination
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@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:
Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.
Or be in the 23 for that matter.
I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination
@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:
Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.
Or be in the 23 for that matter.
I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination
He'll likely play Reece again.
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@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:
Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.
Or be in the 23 for that matter.
I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination
He'll likely play Reece again.
@Canes4life said in New Zealand v Italy:
@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:
Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.
Or be in the 23 for that matter.
I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination
He'll likely play Reece again.
yup. I rewatched the intercept try. Reece was disgracefully slow, something is wrong with him, or he's out of gas
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@Canes4life said in New Zealand v Italy:
@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:
Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.
Or be in the 23 for that matter.
I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination
He'll likely play Reece again.
yup. I rewatched the intercept try. Reece was disgracefully slow, something is wrong with him, or he's out of gas
@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Canes4life said in New Zealand v Italy:
@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:
Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.
Or be in the 23 for that matter.
I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination
He'll likely play Reece again.
yup. I rewatched the intercept try. Reece was disgracefully slow, something is wrong with him, or he's out of gas
Clearly fatigued - the only thing that makes sense is to go back to a specialist winger - maybe even two of them - on the bench.
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@reprobate said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Jailbreak7 said in New Zealand v Italy:
Looks like they'll give TJ and Cane some time, farewell match and all that.
Ugh. Cane had his farewell, a win away against Ireland. Ratima and Roigard both have things to work on.
It is wasteful to take valuable minutes away from players of the present and future who need them in favour of a farewell bow for a less able older player. TJP got his farewell in front of home fans earlier in the year. Cane as you say got to leave triumphant after Dublin. Move aside and play the young bucks who have shown they already belong. Razor will probably do exactly the opposite of what I'd like to see, which is to play Aumua, DMac, Cam and Ratima, and Lakai
@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
a less able older player.
this is starting to annoy me. If Cane was playing we likely win that game last week, as he would have at least been able to stop French forwards at the gain line. Yes, the speed has gone from his legs, but his experience and his defence and his ruck work is far superior to every other loose forward we have available.
The thing is, none of those things will matter this weekend because Italy are shit, so we could play TJP at openside and it won't make a lick of difference
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@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Canes4life said in New Zealand v Italy:
@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:
Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.
Or be in the 23 for that matter.
I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination
He'll likely play Reece again.
yup. I rewatched the intercept try. Reece was disgracefully slow, something is wrong with him, or he's out of gas
Clearly fatigued - the only thing that makes sense is to go back to a specialist winger - maybe even two of them - on the bench.
@reprobate said in New Zealand v Italy:
@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Canes4life said in New Zealand v Italy:
@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:
@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:
Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.
Or be in the 23 for that matter.
I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination
He'll likely play Reece again.
yup. I rewatched the intercept try. Reece was disgracefully slow, something is wrong with him, or he's out of gas
Clearly fatigued - the only thing that makes sense is to go back to a specialist winger - maybe even two of them - on the bench.
Fatigued? Hes had plenty of time to rest since the Japan game.
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Last time we played Italy we put on a 14 try demolition. Probably a bit closer this year.@SBW1 said in New Zealand v Italy:
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Last time we played Italy we put on a 14 try demolition. Probably a bit closer this year.considering that over the past two weekends they beat Georgia by 3 and Argentina put 50 past them i think it is far more likely that we run riot.
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@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
a less able older player.
this is starting to annoy me. If Cane was playing we likely win that game last week, as he would have at least been able to stop French forwards at the gain line. Yes, the speed has gone from his legs, but his experience and his defence and his ruck work is far superior to every other loose forward we have available.
The thing is, none of those things will matter this weekend because Italy are shit, so we could play TJP at openside and it won't make a lick of difference
@mariner4life said in New Zealand v Italy:
@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
a less able older player.
this is starting to annoy me. If Cane was playing we likely win that game last week, as he would have at least been able to stop French forwards at the gain line. Yes, the speed has gone from his legs, but his experience and his defence and his ruck work is far superior to every other loose forward we have available.
The thing is, none of those things will matter this weekend because Italy are shit, so we could play TJP at openside and it won't make a lick of difference
Let's compare apples with apples. If Cane had started vs France I'd have no issue, as he's played great and we wanted a win against a top opponent. Playing against Italy on the other hand seems like a wasted opportunity to blood these young guys
