All Blacks 2025
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Blackadder still hasn't played as many games for the ABs as Akira did - so you could argue he hasn't had as much of a chance yet..
I don't really want to wade back into this argument but you've got to admit the fact that Blackadder has been injured a helleva lot more often than Akira really puts into question this whole 'he hasn't had as much of a chance' conclusion..
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Blackadder still hasn't played as many games for the ABs as Akira did - so you could argue he hasn't had as much of a chance yet..
I don't really want to wade back into this argument but you've got to admit the fact that Blackadder has been injured a helleva lot more often than Akira really puts into question this whole 'he hasn't had as much of a chance' conclusion..
If you look at the current crop of players and the players over the last cycle most of them didn't start playing consistently better until after they had 20 or 30 odd tests under their belt. Richie Mo'unga for example was at about 30 tests by the end of the Irish series. He played through that period when we lost with the rest of those players.
Sure he produced some good games now and then but he also failed to take tests by the scruff of the neck on multiple occasions - he did that at Super level but not at test level.
Same with Jordie Barrett. It took him about 30 tests before he stopped the brain farts.
I've seen Newell get his head shoved up is us a couple of times against the South African scrum.
Havili is on 30 odd tests now and he's still getting chances even though he's thrown at least 3 intercepts for the ABs that led to tries.
Reece on multiple occasions has shown he is a liability under the highball and lacks pace.
So many players have gotten multiple chances despite their deficiencies.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Blackadder still hasn't played as many games for the ABs as Akira did - so you could argue he hasn't had as much of a chance yet..
I don't really want to wade back into this argument but you've got to admit the fact that Blackadder has been injured a helleva lot more often than Akira really puts into question this whole 'he hasn't had as much of a chance' conclusion..
Well you can't prove yourself at test level without playing at test level, so obviously being injured prevents that opportunity.
Given how upset people are at Akira only getting 22 goes, they must be clamouring for Blackadder to get a lot more than his current 14?@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Blackadder still hasn't played as many games for the ABs as Akira did - so you could argue he hasn't had as much of a chance yet..
I don't really want to wade back into this argument but you've got to admit the fact that Blackadder has been injured a helleva lot more often than Akira really puts into question this whole 'he hasn't had as much of a chance' conclusion..
Well you can't prove yourself at test level without playing at test level, so obviously being injured prevents that opportunity.
Given how upset people are at Akira only getting 22 goes, they must be clamouring for Blackadder to get a lot more than his current 14?I'm not convinced you addressed what I posted but anyway Akira was up against Frizell, Blackadder if/when he was available was recently up against Sititi. Who of SF and WS do you think offered the stronger competition?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Def agree with your premise on developing players over time (see Tupou Vaa'i). And while Akira was treated badly by Hansen but he had more opportunists than many under Foster but never quite kicked on.
Robertson and co. may have missed a trick last year with him, but we'll never know
And neither did Blackadder and Frizell yet one is an insta pick when fit and the other one is being courted constantly by the Tubby coach despite the fact he is in Japan and a shitty human.
Akira was given about an equal chance by Foster vs Frizellm then they chose Frizell. He was going overseas before Robertson announced a squad. And apparently shitty humans is the way forward anyway.
Blackadder still hasn't played as many games for the ABs as Akira did - so you could argue he hasn't had as much of a chance yet..@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Def agree with your premise on developing players over time (see Tupou Vaa'i). And while Akira was treated badly by Hansen but he had more opportunists than many under Foster but never quite kicked on.
Robertson and co. may have missed a trick last year with him, but we'll never know
And neither did Blackadder and Frizell yet one is an insta pick when fit and the other one is being courted constantly by the Tubby coach despite the fact he is in Japan and a shitty human.
Akira was given about an equal chance by Foster vs Frizellm then they chose Frizell. He was going overseas before Robertson announced a squad. And apparently shitty humans is the way forward anyway.
Blackadder still hasn't played as many games for the ABs as Akira did - so you could argue he hasn't had as much of a chance yet..Frizell clearly got more opportunities than Akira, otherwise how else would he have failed so spectacularly in a RWC final? Akira wasn't there. My response was to a comment saying he had more opportunists (sic) than others.
You're being a bit disingenuous about the number of games Blackadder has played, he's an insta pick in AB squads when not injured, he's just injured frequently.
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God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
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God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
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God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
We wish, I think its going to be new old shit
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2025:
James O'Connor doing his best for the Wallabies then....
But seriously, Havili is a decent enough operator, been a great servant for the Crusaders, but he's been tried and failed more than enough at Test level to the point where we have better options waiting.
I notice the only time Marshall has bought up Blues players was to slag them off like he did with Papali'i and Sotutu the other day.
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God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
Forked the thread into a new one:
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/7401/all-blacks-loosie-selections-in-recent-years/1I could've gone back further but this post seemed like a good full stop on the conversation
Also, feel free to create more AB threads in the sport forum. It doesn't have to all go here. Threads about certain positions etc etc
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
I remember the 2003 Wellington test he even slipped Caleb Ralph in instead of Jonah. Madness
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
Mitchell was the journeyman dirt tracker AB who decided to show everyone that a star team could outdo a team of superstars, and was aided and abetted by red n black homer Robbie Deans
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
Mitchell was the journeyman dirt tracker AB who decided to show everyone that a star team could outdo a team of superstars, and was aided and abetted by red n black homer Robbie Deans
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
Mitchell was the journeyman dirt tracker AB who decided to show everyone that a star team could outdo a team of superstars, and was aided and abetted by red n black homer Robbie Deans
14 Crusaders in one starting line up was just taking the absolute piss
Razor should go for 15 with Ardie and Sititi on the bench.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
Mitchell was the journeyman dirt tracker AB who decided to show everyone that a star team could outdo a team of superstars, and was aided and abetted by red n black homer Robbie Deans
14 Crusaders in one starting line up was just taking the absolute piss
Razor should go for 15 with Ardie and Sititi on the bench.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
Mitchell was the journeyman dirt tracker AB who decided to show everyone that a star team could outdo a team of superstars, and was aided and abetted by red n black homer Robbie Deans
14 Crusaders in one starting line up was just taking the absolute piss
Who played 7 and 8 in that team?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
Mitchell was the journeyman dirt tracker AB who decided to show everyone that a star team could outdo a team of superstars, and was aided and abetted by red n black homer Robbie Deans
14 Crusaders in one starting line up was just taking the absolute piss
Who played 7 and 8 in that team?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
Mitchell was the journeyman dirt tracker AB who decided to show everyone that a star team could outdo a team of superstars, and was aided and abetted by red n black homer Robbie Deans
14 Crusaders in one starting line up was just taking the absolute piss
Who played 7 and 8 in that team?
Cullen Grace and Tom Christie of course
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
Mitchell was the journeyman dirt tracker AB who decided to show everyone that a star team could outdo a team of superstars, and was aided and abetted by red n black homer Robbie Deans
14 Crusaders in one starting line up was just taking the absolute piss
Razor should go for 15 with Ardie and Sititi on the bench.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
Mitchell was the journeyman dirt tracker AB who decided to show everyone that a star team could outdo a team of superstars, and was aided and abetted by red n black homer Robbie Deans
14 Crusaders in one starting line up was just taking the absolute piss
Razor should go for 15 with Ardie and Sititi on the bench.
No provincial team was good enough to field that many. Not even the great Canty and Auckland teams of the 80s
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
Mitchell was the journeyman dirt tracker AB who decided to show everyone that a star team could outdo a team of superstars, and was aided and abetted by red n black homer Robbie Deans
14 Crusaders in one starting line up was just taking the absolute piss
Who played 7 and 8 in that team?
Cullen Grace and Tom Christie of course
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
God please name the squad early so we can bicker about new shit
The squad will be named only after we have discussed some new stuff like Mertz v Spencer and Marshall v Byron.
> Robinson over Umaga? Blasphemous.
Um hello ? Mitchell had to get his 14 Crusaders and Jonah team on the pitch somehow.
Mitchell was the journeyman dirt tracker AB who decided to show everyone that a star team could outdo a team of superstars, and was aided and abetted by red n black homer Robbie Deans
14 Crusaders in one starting line up was just taking the absolute piss
Who played 7 and 8 in that team?
Cullen Grace and Tom Christie of course
I thought it was earlier, and the answer was S Robertson...
