All Blacks 2025
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France 2:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v France 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France 2:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v France 2:
I don't see the point in playing Finau off the bench, yes he played there a bit this year, but if we want to see if he's our Kaino-like (acknowledging no one will ever be completely that level) then he has to start.
It is completely weird to pick a 6 in a squad, the only true blue 6, and then play him off the bench.
They have a bunch of pieces that don't quite fit. Or they can't make them fit yet
If they're just killing time until bringing back Frizell my ditching of rugby might happen sooner than I thought.
Simon Parker is the guy I hope they are waiting on
Even then there's a bit of great white hype about him, he had a great season, but we'll need to see him in black and probably another season to see whether he has the goods consistently. Hopefully his injury clears up in time for him to get some AB game time. But yep agree, even with the reservations above, definitely hope it's him instead of the Tongan imposter.
Speaking of great white hypes, whatever happened to Gardiner? He has certainly fell off the radar since the Fern had a collective wank about him when playing for the AB XV.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Speaking of great white hypes, whatever happened to Gardiner? He has certainly fell off the radar since the Fern had a collective wank about him when playing for the AB XV.
He always seems to be injured and when he does get chance he is prone to doing stupid things. Pity, because he did look good for a short period of time.
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby_league/joseph-manu-makes-next-career-call-amid-nrl-return-rumours/ar-AA1IiEdC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=09c832414bb746dda8943d0e636b262b&ei=12 If Manu does return to pursue his All Blacks dream he will only have the 2027 Super Rugby season to prove himself, should he go down that path.
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On the small 7 front, Tizzano and McReight seem broadly similar sized to Kirifi but the former at least, and arguably the latter, seem to have more go forward. Is that technique, or something else?
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
On the small 7 front, Tizzano and McReight seem broadly similar sized to Kirifi but the former at least, and arguably the latter, seem to have more go forward. Is that technique, or something else?
Kirifi has shown more than enough go forward at lower levels. The test level sample size is fucking 15 minutes, let's stop overthinking it.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
On the small 7 front, Tizzano and McReight seem broadly similar sized to Kirifi but the former at least, and arguably the latter, seem to have more go forward. Is that technique, or something else?
Kirifi has shown more than enough go forward at lower levels. The test level sample size is fucking 15 minutes, let's stop overthinking it.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
On the small 7 front, Tizzano and McReight seem broadly similar sized to Kirifi but the former at least, and arguably the latter, seem to have more go forward. Is that technique, or something else?
Kirifi has shown more than enough go forward at lower levels. The test level sample size is fucking 15 minutes, let's stop overthinking it.
The takeaway is that 7s his size are not too small.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
On the small 7 front, Tizzano and McReight seem broadly similar sized to Kirifi but the former at least, and arguably the latter, seem to have more go forward. Is that technique, or something else?
Kirifi has shown more than enough go forward at lower levels. The test level sample size is fucking 15 minutes, let's stop overthinking it.
The takeaway is that 7s his size are not too small.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
On the small 7 front, Tizzano and McReight seem broadly similar sized to Kirifi but the former at least, and arguably the latter, seem to have more go forward. Is that technique, or something else?
Kirifi has shown more than enough go forward at lower levels. The test level sample size is fucking 15 minutes, let's stop overthinking it.
The takeaway is that 7s his size are not too small.
Now do Moananu!
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby_league/joseph-manu-makes-next-career-call-amid-nrl-return-rumours/ar-AA1IiEdC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=09c832414bb746dda8943d0e636b262b&ei=12 If Manu does return to pursue his All Blacks dream he will only have the 2027 Super Rugby season to prove himself, should he go down that path.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby_league/joseph-manu-makes-next-career-call-amid-nrl-return-rumours/ar-AA1IiEdC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=09c832414bb746dda8943d0e636b262b&ei=12 If Manu does return to pursue his All Blacks dream he will only have the 2027 Super Rugby season to prove himself, should he go down that path.
Comparing to Sonny Bills timeline he went to French rugby in 2008 and was playing NPC for Canterbury in 2010 and the Crusaders in 2011. So it would appear to be an even tighter timeline than SBW.
I'd love to know to what extent the NZR and the coaches build relationships when this stuff happens to increase the likelihood of being able to integrate the player into the All Blacks setup, of the stars align.
From what I can recall Tana was with SBW in France and may have acted as a bridge builder in this sense.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby_league/joseph-manu-makes-next-career-call-amid-nrl-return-rumours/ar-AA1IiEdC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=09c832414bb746dda8943d0e636b262b&ei=12 If Manu does return to pursue his All Blacks dream he will only have the 2027 Super Rugby season to prove himself, should he go down that path.
Comparing to Sonny Bills timeline he went to French rugby in 2008 and was playing NPC for Canterbury in 2010 and the Crusaders in 2011. So it would appear to be an even tighter timeline than SBW.
I'd love to know to what extent the NZR and the coaches build relationships when this stuff happens to increase the likelihood of being able to integrate the player into the All Blacks setup, of the stars align.
From what I can recall Tana was with SBW in France and may have acted as a bridge builder in this sense.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby_league/joseph-manu-makes-next-career-call-amid-nrl-return-rumours/ar-AA1IiEdC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=09c832414bb746dda8943d0e636b262b&ei=12 If Manu does return to pursue his All Blacks dream he will only have the 2027 Super Rugby season to prove himself, should he go down that path.
Comparing to Sonny Bills timeline he went to French rugby in 2008 and was playing NPC for Canterbury in 2010 and the Crusaders in 2011. So it would appear to be an even tighter timeline than SBW.
I'd love to know to what extent the NZR and the coaches build relationships when this stuff happens to increase the likelihood of being able to integrate the player into the All Blacks setup, of the stars align.
From what I can recall Tana was with SBW in France and may have acted as a bridge builder in this sense.
Both Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Brad Thorn (who turned it down) were selected after their first Super Rugby and NPC seasons respectively but they were selected on reputation and name as much as for their performance on field and neither was selected in a World Cup year. It’d be a big gamble to pick a league convert for the first time in a World Cup year not knowing how well they’ll make the step up. He’d have to be an absolute stand out in Super Rugby.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby_league/joseph-manu-makes-next-career-call-amid-nrl-return-rumours/ar-AA1IiEdC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=09c832414bb746dda8943d0e636b262b&ei=12 If Manu does return to pursue his All Blacks dream he will only have the 2027 Super Rugby season to prove himself, should he go down that path.
Comparing to Sonny Bills timeline he went to French rugby in 2008 and was playing NPC for Canterbury in 2010 and the Crusaders in 2011. So it would appear to be an even tighter timeline than SBW.
I'd love to know to what extent the NZR and the coaches build relationships when this stuff happens to increase the likelihood of being able to integrate the player into the All Blacks setup, of the stars align.
From what I can recall Tana was with SBW in France and may have acted as a bridge builder in this sense.
Both Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Brad Thorn (who turned it down) were selected after their first Super Rugby and NPC seasons respectively but they were selected on reputation and name as much as for their performance on field and neither was selected in a World Cup year. It’d be a big gamble to pick a league convert for the first time in a World Cup year not knowing how well they’ll make the step up. He’d have to be an absolute stand out in Super Rugby.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby_league/joseph-manu-makes-next-career-call-amid-nrl-return-rumours/ar-AA1IiEdC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=09c832414bb746dda8943d0e636b262b&ei=12 If Manu does return to pursue his All Blacks dream he will only have the 2027 Super Rugby season to prove himself, should he go down that path.
Comparing to Sonny Bills timeline he went to French rugby in 2008 and was playing NPC for Canterbury in 2010 and the Crusaders in 2011. So it would appear to be an even tighter timeline than SBW.
I'd love to know to what extent the NZR and the coaches build relationships when this stuff happens to increase the likelihood of being able to integrate the player into the All Blacks setup, of the stars align.
From what I can recall Tana was with SBW in France and may have acted as a bridge builder in this sense.
Both Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Brad Thorn (who turned it down) were selected after their first Super Rugby and NPC seasons respectively but they were selected on reputation and name as much as for their performance on field and neither was selected in a World Cup year. It’d be a big gamble to pick a league convert for the first time in a World Cup year not knowing how well they’ll make the step up. He’d have to be an absolute stand out in Super Rugby.
Agreed, 100%. It seems in a best case scenario he is about a year behind where he would need to be in the process as a convert.
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This is a massive gamble which Joey is taking, if he is not an instant success, I would imagine he hits the exit button and returns to the Roosters. Both codes have changed a lot since SBW and Brad Thorn. There won't be a great deal of media attention on him in France, I don't think he is giving himself enough time.
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This is a massive gamble which Joey is taking, if he is not an instant success, I would imagine he hits the exit button and returns to the Roosters. Both codes have changed a lot since SBW and Brad Thorn. There won't be a great deal of media attention on him in France, I don't think he is giving himself enough time.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
This is a massive gamble which Joey is taking, if he is not an instant success, I would imagine he hits the exit button and returns to the Roosters. Both codes have changed a lot since SBW and Brad Thorn. There won't be a great deal of media attention on him in France, I don't think he is giving himself enough time.
Joey Manu? I don't think he's in anyone's thoughts.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
This is a massive gamble which Joey is taking, if he is not an instant success, I would imagine he hits the exit button and returns to the Roosters. Both codes have changed a lot since SBW and Brad Thorn. There won't be a great deal of media attention on him in France, I don't think he is giving himself enough time.
Joey Manu? I don't think he's in anyone's thoughts.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
This is a massive gamble which Joey is taking, if he is not an instant success, I would imagine he hits the exit button and returns to the Roosters. Both codes have changed a lot since SBW and Brad Thorn. There won't be a great deal of media attention on him in France, I don't think he is giving himself enough time.
Joey Manu? I don't think he's in anyone's thoughts.
Joey who ?
Exactly, he’s no SBW, Thorn or even Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
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I'm more confident now with the ABs than anytime in the last 5 years
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I'm more confident now with the ABs than anytime in the last 5 years
Anyone else agree.@BerniesCorner I thought we'd win the 2023 RWC Final so no.
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Watching the springboks, think they're buying into their own hype and pleasing to see our discipline improve while theirs declines - ABs sans Barretts might even go a game without a card.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
Watching the springboks, think they're buying into their own hype and pleasing to see our discipline improve while theirs declines - ABs sans Barretts might even go a game without a card.
You reckon our discipline has improved, or have we just not been put under consistent pressure yet?
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I'd love to know when the following players are expected to be available again.
Lomax
Williams
Parker
Tangitau
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Parker and Tangitau weren't in that list of players not considered due to injury.
Tangitau needs a lot of work on his defence.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Parker and Tangitau weren't in that list of players not considered due to injury.
Tangitau needs a lot of work on his defence.
Both Parker and Tangitau are being managed by AB medical staff and are very much on the radar according to an accurate source on here.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
Watching the springboks, think they're buying into their own hype and pleasing to see our discipline improve while theirs declines - ABs sans Barretts might even go a game without a card.
You reckon our discipline has improved, or have we just not been put under consistent pressure yet?
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
Watching the springboks, think they're buying into their own hype and pleasing to see our discipline improve while theirs declines - ABs sans Barretts might even go a game without a card.
You reckon our discipline has improved, or have we just not been put under consistent pressure yet?
It was funny last night as the ref really favored us at breakdown. I feel like with other refs it could have been a different story (not saying the ref was wrong, but we did get the rub of the green there).
