All Blacks 2025
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
If Manu does return to pursue his All Blacks dream he will only have the 2027 Super Rugby season to prove himself, should he go down that path.Joseph Manu makes next career call amid NRL return rumours
NRL fans hoping to welcome Joseph Manu back to the league will be bitterly disappointed, with French rugby side Racing 92 announcing the signing of the former Sydney Roosters star until 2027. Manu was long-rumoured to be joining the French-based club; however, many had hoped his departure from...
Comparing to Sonny Bills timeline he went to French rugby in 2008 and was playing NPC for Canterbury in 2010 and the Crusaders in 2011. So it would appear to be an even tighter timeline than SBW.
I'd love to know to what extent the NZR and the coaches build relationships when this stuff happens to increase the likelihood of being able to integrate the player into the All Blacks setup, of the stars align.
From what I can recall Tana was with SBW in France and may have acted as a bridge builder in this sense.
Both Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Brad Thorn (who turned it down) were selected after their first Super Rugby and NPC seasons respectively but they were selected on reputation and name as much as for their performance on field and neither was selected in a World Cup year. It’d be a big gamble to pick a league convert for the first time in a World Cup year not knowing how well they’ll make the step up. He’d have to be an absolute stand out in Super Rugby.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
If Manu does return to pursue his All Blacks dream he will only have the 2027 Super Rugby season to prove himself, should he go down that path.NRL fans hoping to welcome Joseph Manu back to the league will be bitterly disappointed, with French rugby side Racing 92 announcing the signing of the former Sydney Roosters star until 2027. Manu was long-rumoured to be joining the French-based club; however, many had hoped his departure from...
Comparing to Sonny Bills timeline he went to French rugby in 2008 and was playing NPC for Canterbury in 2010 and the Crusaders in 2011. So it would appear to be an even tighter timeline than SBW.
I'd love to know to what extent the NZR and the coaches build relationships when this stuff happens to increase the likelihood of being able to integrate the player into the All Blacks setup, of the stars align.
From what I can recall Tana was with SBW in France and may have acted as a bridge builder in this sense.
Both Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Brad Thorn (who turned it down) were selected after their first Super Rugby and NPC seasons respectively but they were selected on reputation and name as much as for their performance on field and neither was selected in a World Cup year. It’d be a big gamble to pick a league convert for the first time in a World Cup year not knowing how well they’ll make the step up. He’d have to be an absolute stand out in Super Rugby.
Agreed, 100%. It seems in a best case scenario he is about a year behind where he would need to be in the process as a convert.
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This is a massive gamble which Joey is taking, if he is not an instant success, I would imagine he hits the exit button and returns to the Roosters. Both codes have changed a lot since SBW and Brad Thorn. There won't be a great deal of media attention on him in France, I don't think he is giving himself enough time.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
This is a massive gamble which Joey is taking, if he is not an instant success, I would imagine he hits the exit button and returns to the Roosters. Both codes have changed a lot since SBW and Brad Thorn. There won't be a great deal of media attention on him in France, I don't think he is giving himself enough time.
Joey Manu? I don't think he's in anyone's thoughts.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
This is a massive gamble which Joey is taking, if he is not an instant success, I would imagine he hits the exit button and returns to the Roosters. Both codes have changed a lot since SBW and Brad Thorn. There won't be a great deal of media attention on him in France, I don't think he is giving himself enough time.
Joey Manu? I don't think he's in anyone's thoughts.
Joey who ?
Exactly, he’s no SBW, Thorn or even Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
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I'm more confident now with the ABs than anytime in the last 5 years
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@BerniesCorner I thought we'd win the 2023 RWC Final so no.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
Watching the springboks, think they're buying into their own hype and pleasing to see our discipline improve while theirs declines - ABs sans Barretts might even go a game without a card.
You reckon our discipline has improved, or have we just not been put under consistent pressure yet?
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Parker and Tangitau weren't in that list of players not considered due to injury.
Tangitau needs a lot of work on his defence.
Both Parker and Tangitau are being managed by AB medical staff and are very much on the radar according to an accurate source on here.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
Watching the springboks, think they're buying into their own hype and pleasing to see our discipline improve while theirs declines - ABs sans Barretts might even go a game without a card.
You reckon our discipline has improved, or have we just not been put under consistent pressure yet?
It was funny last night as the ref really favored us at breakdown. I feel like with other refs it could have been a different story (not saying the ref was wrong, but we did get the rub of the green there).
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Parker and Tangitau weren't in that list of players not considered due to injury.
Tangitau needs a lot of work on his defence.
Both Parker and Tangitau are being managed by AB medical staff and are very much on the radar according to an accurate source on here.
Being on the radar and actually being selected are two different things.
I like both these players and think Parker is more ready of the two but I suspect they will need to both play some NPC to come under consideration again and it probably won't be until eoyt.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Parker and Tangitau weren't in that list of players not considered due to injury.
Tangitau needs a lot of work on his defence.
They don't tend to list uncapped players as being unavailable due to injury.
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Vaa'i has been excellent at 6 I hope we keep him there adds some size and power to the Loose Forwards.
Holland seems to be getting better our forward pack is coming together.
Finau a waste of space we need to look elsewhere for a back up 6.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
Vaa'i has been excellent at 6 I hope we keep him there adds some size and power to the Loose Forwards.
Holland seems to be getting better our forward pack is coming together.
Finau a waste of space we need to look elsewhere for a back up 6.
Time to move Buedean Barrett on he will be a weak point against the stronger teams.Agree with all of this except Finau. Finau should be persevered with. He's been no where near as bad as you make out, he's still young, and he's the best loose forward athlete in NZ under 30.
Tupou Vai'i took a whole RWC cycle of development before he began to show who his true ability.
Back in the days when we dominated u20 we used to be able just bring in the next guy but we no longer have that kind of luxury of talent riches.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Agree with all of this except Finau. Finau should be persevered with. He's been no where near as bad as you make out, he's still young, and he's the best loose forward athlete in NZ under 30.
He is too passive for me unless he is hitting First fives,I think he has been given enough chances.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Agree with all of this except Finau. Finau should be persevered with. He's been no where near as bad as you make out, he's still young, and he's the best loose forward athlete in NZ under 30.
He is too passive for me unless he is hitting First fives,I think he has been given enough chances.
His ruck cleaning is very effective. Apart from Vaa'i he's better than every other loose forward in yesterday's 23 at that facet.
He's also a far better lineout option apart from everyone but Vaai.
The only reason why any of Squire, Fifita, Hemopo, Luatua and Ioane didn't become a long term option is because none of them got peservered with like Vaa'i and Frizell did.
Those players were all just as talented but didn't get 4+ years of development like Frizell and Vaa'i.
Finau and Parker are the only guys with the same kind of size and talent at the moment. They both have speed and strength. They both need to be around the squad.
There's too many little guys in there at the moment.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Agree with all of this except Finau. Finau should be persevered with. He's been no where near as bad as you make out, he's still young, and he's the best loose forward athlete in NZ under 30.
He is too passive for me unless he is hitting First fives,I think he has been given enough chances.
His ruck cleaning is very effective. Apart from Vaa'i he's better than every other loose forward in yesterday's 23 at that facet.
He's also a far better lineout option apart from everyone but Vaai.
The only reason why any of Squire, Fifita, Hemopo, Luatua and Ioane didn't become a long term option is because none of them got peservered with like Vaa'i and Frizell did.
Those players were all just as talented but didn't get 4+ years of development like Frizell and Vaa'i.
Finau and Parker are the only guys with the same kind of size and talent at the moment. They both have speed and strength. They both need to be around the squad.
There's too many little guys in there at the moment.
If that is all we have Finau as a back up we are in trouble, hopefully Parker can show something when he is back from injury.
