All Blacks 2025
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We actually played some good footy last night. That first 40 when we played wide wide wide we got well behind them. That intercept was a massive moment because we had outflanked them again. Jordie Barrett is the key guy in that pattern his passing game is good. We also got our depth right. The problem was we just didn't get enough reward.
And in the 2nd half when we held the ball we still looked.good, we didn't do it enough, and then our set piece collapsed and we got stuck in the wrong end.
Lots of individual errors killed us. System errors killed us. But as I said in the match thread, I do not think this iteration of the ABs has this level of footy in them. We leak points. We are no longer able to strike and just break teams open.
We sort of look like Iteland, where the footy looks good, but there are never enough points to take the game away. Which when you look at the "against" column is a real issue.
My kingdom for a couple of real mean physical forwards. Even in the first half it was noticeable how the pack was completely unable to generate fast ball themselves, or stop south africa building momentum.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
We actually played some good footy last night. That first 40 when we played wide wide wide we got well behind them. That intercept was a massive moment because we had outflanked them again. Jordie Barrett is the key guy in that pattern his passing game is good. We also got our depth right. The problem was we just didn't get enough reward.
And in the 2nd half when we held the ball we still looked.good, we didn't do it enough, and then our set piece collapsed and we got stuck in the wrong end.
Lots of individual errors killed us. System errors killed us. But as I said in the match thread, I do not think this iteration of the ABs has this level of footy in them. We leak points. We are no longer able to strike and just break teams open.
We sort of look like Iteland, where the footy looks good, but there are never enough points to take the game away. Which when you look at the "against" column is a real issue.
My kingdom for a couple of real mean physical forwards. Even in the first half it was noticeable how the pack was completely unable to generate fast ball themselves, or stop south africa building momentum.
A very balanced take. I thought backs went well in first half and some good stuff also in third quarter.
Scrum in H1 was creaking on second shove, which I put down to Sami having an issue, but not too bad. Things evened up in second as Boks bench LH a big step down from Ox, and we had the nudge once McAllister came on, albeit at the cost of our lineout.
My gripe is that playing RD and Wally in same loosie trio is unbalanced in that they are samish. For me it’s one or other at 8. Need a tackling and cleaning 7 in the style of Sam Cane to even things up.
Why replace a specialist 13 with a 12 with little international experience at 13? And if you’re going to do it, not 5m from own goal line, FFS!
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
Would people take John Mitchell back as head coach
Funny as!
But you'd be right; he'd be a much better coach now than he was back then.
Lots and lots and lots of learnings.
Not learnings, journeys....
Heard him talking about legacy, England and winning the women's RWC25. Still sounded full of shit
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
Would people take John Mitchell back as head coach
Funny as!
But you'd be right; he'd be a much better coach now than he was back then.
Lots and lots and lots of learnings.
Not learnings, journeys....
Heard him talkin about legacy, England and winning the women's RWC25. Still sounded full of shit
A journey? Travelling by train or plane?
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The what amounted to giving up in the last 15 minutes is shocking Abs teams just don't do that, to quit the contest like that shows a real lack of care and commitment.And they did opt out some players just did not commit on the tackle at all.
I agree with Kieran Read something is not right within the group players and coaching to let that happen, no spine as Read said.
Some players need to go if that is what they want to dish up.
The Coaching well it looks totally in disarray with no clear path out of this mess.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet I'd add Murrayfield too. Great opportunity for the Scots to pop their cherry after 120 years of trying.
Makes Marshall's prediction of an unbeaten year look really silly now. I think we will win at Eden Park and definitely against Wales, but the other games are 50/50 at best.
Carrying water for his former team-mate? What a surprise.
On the evidence of Sat night the Eden Park record is under threat in 2 weeks.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet I'd add Murrayfield too. Great opportunity for the Scots to pop their cherry after 120 years of trying.
Makes Marshall's prediction of an unbeaten year look really silly now. I think we will win at Eden Park and definitely against Wales, but the other games are 50/50 at best.
Carrying water for his former team-mate? What a surprise.
On the evidence of Sat night the Eden Park record is under threat in 2 weeks.
I think we might fare ok against Australia, at least at Eden Park anyway. They are still pretty passive on D so we will have a lot more space to work with, and you would expect our scrum to hold up against theirs. Will probably have Roigard and Ratima back for that game too. It will just paper over the cracks though, we have some serious problems.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
Would people take John Mitchell back as head coach
Funny as!
But you'd be right; he'd be a much better coach now than he was back then.
Lots and lots and lots of learnings.
Not learnings, journeys....
Heard him talkin about legacy, England and winning the women's RWC25. Still sounded full of shit
A journey? Travelling by train or plane?
@pakman boat?
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it's funny to me that a year ago the coaches were getting dragged for picking Sam Cane to do the shit work that Savea doesn't do all because he was getting a bit slow in the foot. And now the realisation has sunk in why he was getting picked.
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it's funny to me that a year ago the coaches were getting dragged for picking Sam Cane to do the shit work that Savea doesn't do all because he was getting a bit slow in the foot. And now the realisation has sunk in why he was getting picked.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
it's funny to me that a year ago the coaches were getting dragged for picking Sam Cane to do the shit work that Savea doesn't do all because he was getting a bit slow in the foot. And now the realisation has sunk in why he was getting picked.
Very true, but he still shouldn't have been getting picked over Dalton.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
it's funny to me that a year ago the coaches were getting dragged for picking Sam Cane to do the shit work that Savea doesn't do all because he was getting a bit slow in the foot. And now the realisation has sunk in why he was getting picked.
Very true, but he still shouldn't have been getting picked over Dalton.
Which goes to the player loyalty over good for team point someone else made.@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Very true, but he still shouldn't have been getting picked over Dalton.
his efforts in teh republic beg to differ. Will admit he probably wasn't suited to Bledisloe rugby though, which is a completely different animal.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Very true, but he still shouldn't have been getting picked over Dalton.
his efforts in teh republic beg to differ. Will admit he probably wasn't suited to Bledisloe rugby though, which is a completely different animal.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Very true, but he still shouldn't have been getting picked over Dalton.
his efforts in teh republic beg to differ. Will admit he probably wasn't suited to Bledisloe rugby though, which is a completely different animal.
True that, he was very good against the boks. Not sure how a lack of pace would have gone in this last game though.
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it's funny to me that a year ago the coaches were getting dragged for picking Sam Cane to do the shit work that Savea doesn't do all because he was getting a bit slow in the foot. And now the realisation has sunk in why he was getting picked.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
it's funny to me that a year ago the coaches were getting dragged for picking Sam Cane to do the shit work that Savea doesn't do all because he was getting a bit slow in the foot. And now the realisation has sunk in why he was getting picked.
Post mccaw , three different allblack coaches picked him to start at 7 when he was available, he had his haters but he must have been doing something right.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Very true, but he still shouldn't have been getting picked over Dalton.
his efforts in teh republic beg to differ. Will admit he probably wasn't suited to Bledisloe rugby though, which is a completely different animal.
True that, he was very good against the boks. Not sure how a lack of pace would have gone in this last game though.
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Very true, but he still shouldn't have been getting picked over Dalton.
his efforts in teh republic beg to differ. Will admit he probably wasn't suited to Bledisloe rugby though, which is a completely different animal.
True that, he was very good against the boks. Not sure how a lack of pace would have gone in this last game though.
at least he would have sat a forward on their ass a few times. but yes, sam cane stationed in the wide channels doesn't sound like a winner to me.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
it's funny to me that a year ago the coaches were getting dragged for picking Sam Cane to do the shit work that Savea doesn't do all because he was getting a bit slow in the foot. And now the realisation has sunk in why he was getting picked.
Post mccaw , three different allblack coaches picked him to start at 7 when he was available, he had his haters but he must have been doing something right.
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
it's funny to me that a year ago the coaches were getting dragged for picking Sam Cane to do the shit work that Savea doesn't do all because he was getting a bit slow in the foot. And now the realisation has sunk in why he was getting picked.
Post mccaw , three different allblack coaches picked him to start at 7 when he was available, he had his haters but he must have been doing something right.
Well for one thing I don't think you'd ever have people questioning whether Sam Cane gave up.
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I’d love Razor to just bite the bullet and chuck this backline out against the Wallabies (assuming Hotham is out injured again)
- Kyle Preston
- Ruben Love
- Leroy Carter
- Quinn Tupaea
- Leicester Fainga’anuku
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
Would like to see how Jordie would go at fullback.
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With a forward pack of:
- Ethan De Groot
- Codie Taylor
- Pasilio Tosi
- Tupou Vaii
- Fabian Holland
- Peter Lakai
- Ardie Savea (c)
- Wallace Sititi
Three years out from the World Cup who gives a fuck if we have to go backwards to go forwards. Try shit out, get the young talent in for experience.
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oh you are absolutely kidding yourself with that loose forward trio.
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oh you are absolutely kidding yourself with that loose forward trio.
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@mariner4life okay “Simon Parker”
