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2025 All Blacks v France series

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  • WurzelW Wurzel

    A forgotten name for the All Blacks midfield below...

    Players to achieve at least 50% carry dominance from at least 150 carries into contact:

    Josua Tuisova (62% from 172)
    Beka Gorgadze (56% from 183)
    Leicester Fianga’anuku (53% from 186)
    Elia Canakaivata (51% from 152)

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    @Wurzel he's been outstanding in the Top14. Easily one of the best midfielders in the comp, if not the best.
    We currently have the best midfielder in the URC. And the best midfielder in the Top14 (arguably).

    There's a lot of pessimism around, but I think we're close to being very good again.

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      Turns out Fihaki has missed the most tackles this season of any back from the NZ teams squads who played in the semis

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      @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

      Turns out Fihaki has missed the most tackles this season of any back from the NZ teams squads who played in the semis

      So theoretically his work on both sides of the ball won’t be good enough…

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        Will Jordie usurp the NZ based midfielders or will playing in SR be counted in the favour of the rest. By chance.

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          @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

          Turns out Fihaki has missed the most tackles this season of any back from the NZ teams squads who played in the semis

          So theoretically his work on both sides of the ball won’t be good enough…

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          @Gunner said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

          @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

          Turns out Fihaki has missed the most tackles this season of any back from the NZ teams squads who played in the semis

          So theoretically his work on both sides of the ball won’t be good enough…

          Or just his work either side of ball isn't good enough.

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            I like the idea of Leicester into the squad at some point this year. What will be of interest to me is who makes way for him.

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              I like the idea of Leicester into the squad at some point this year. What will be of interest to me is who makes way for him.

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              @KiwiMurph said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

              I like the idea of Leicester into the squad at some point this year. What will be of interest to me is who makes way for him.

              Impact off the bench at wing or 13 I imagine

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              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                I like the idea of Leicester into the squad at some point this year. What will be of interest to me is who makes way for him.

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                @KiwiMurph said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                I like the idea of Leicester into the squad at some point this year. What will be of interest to me is who makes way for him.

                I love ALB but I would move off him for Leicester (assuming he comes back and looks good). LF is a midfield / wing which is the main role we get from ALB.

                I'm wondering whether Tupaea is going to get a go - a specialist 2nd five in squad is hard unless he is the starter.

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                • gt12G gt12

                  @KiwiMurph said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                  I like the idea of Leicester into the squad at some point this year. What will be of interest to me is who makes way for him.

                  I love ALB but I would move off him for Leicester (assuming he comes back and looks good). LF is a midfield / wing which is the main role we get from ALB.

                  I'm wondering whether Tupaea is going to get a go - a specialist 2nd five in squad is hard unless he is the starter.

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                  @gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                  @KiwiMurph said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                  I like the idea of Leicester into the squad at some point this year. What will be of interest to me is who makes way for him.

                  I love ALB but I would move off him for Leicester (assuming he comes back and looks good). LF is a midfield / wing which is the main role we get from ALB.

                  I'm wondering whether Tupaea is going to get a go - a specialist 2nd five in squad is hard unless he is the starter.

                  ALB would drop out for me

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                    Main difference with Fainga'anuku is his defensive accuracy. When he was at the Crusaders it was between 55% - 75%. He's bumped that up to 75.6% at Toulon this year. It's an improvement.

                    But if you look at the other midfield contenders he'd be near the bottom in Super Rugby:

                    Midfield Players by Tackle Success
                    93.3% Anton Lienert-Brown
                    91.3% Billy Proctor
                    91.3% Braydon Ennor
                    89.1% AJ Lam
                    88.7% Xavi Taele
                    88.4% Quinn Tupaea
                    86.1% Riley Higgins
                    85.9% Peter Umaga-Jensen
                    84.7% Levi Aumua
                    83.1% David Havili
                    83.0% Bailyn Sullivan
                    80.6% Rieko Ioane
                    80.0% Daniel Rona
                    80.0% Gideon Wrampling
                    79.7% Tanielu Tele'a
                    78.8% Lalomilo Lalomilo

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                      Main difference with Fainga'anuku is his defensive accuracy. When he was at the Crusaders it was between 55% - 75%. He's bumped that up to 75.6% at Toulon this year. It's an improvement.

                      But if you look at the other midfield contenders he'd be near the bottom in Super Rugby:

                      Midfield Players by Tackle Success
                      93.3% Anton Lienert-Brown
                      91.3% Billy Proctor
                      91.3% Braydon Ennor
                      89.1% AJ Lam
                      88.7% Xavi Taele
                      88.4% Quinn Tupaea
                      86.1% Riley Higgins
                      85.9% Peter Umaga-Jensen
                      84.7% Levi Aumua
                      83.1% David Havili
                      83.0% Bailyn Sullivan
                      80.6% Rieko Ioane
                      80.0% Daniel Rona
                      80.0% Gideon Wrampling
                      79.7% Tanielu Tele'a
                      78.8% Lalomilo Lalomilo

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                      @brodean do you have the stats for Tavatavanawai?

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                        Main difference with Fainga'anuku is his defensive accuracy. When he was at the Crusaders it was between 55% - 75%. He's bumped that up to 75.6% at Toulon this year. It's an improvement.

                        But if you look at the other midfield contenders he'd be near the bottom in Super Rugby:

                        Midfield Players by Tackle Success
                        93.3% Anton Lienert-Brown
                        91.3% Billy Proctor
                        91.3% Braydon Ennor
                        89.1% AJ Lam
                        88.7% Xavi Taele
                        88.4% Quinn Tupaea
                        86.1% Riley Higgins
                        85.9% Peter Umaga-Jensen
                        84.7% Levi Aumua
                        83.1% David Havili
                        83.0% Bailyn Sullivan
                        80.6% Rieko Ioane
                        80.0% Daniel Rona
                        80.0% Gideon Wrampling
                        79.7% Tanielu Tele'a
                        78.8% Lalomilo Lalomilo

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                        @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                        Main difference with Fainga'anuku is his defensive accuracy. When he was at the Crusaders it was between 55% - 75%. He's bumped that up to 75.6% at Toulon this year. It's an improvement.

                        But if you look at the other midfield contenders he'd be near the bottom in Super Rugby:

                        Midfield Players by Tackle Success
                        93.3% Anton Lienert-Brown
                        91.3% Billy Proctor
                        91.3% Braydon Ennor
                        89.1% AJ Lam
                        88.7% Xavi Taele
                        88.4% Quinn Tupaea
                        86.1% Riley Higgins
                        85.9% Peter Umaga-Jensen
                        84.7% Levi Aumua
                        83.1% David Havili
                        83.0% Bailyn Sullivan
                        80.6% Rieko Ioane
                        80.0% Daniel Rona
                        80.0% Gideon Wrampling
                        79.7% Tanielu Tele'a
                        78.8% Lalomilo Lalomilo

                        I thought Rieko's tackle success would be higher.
                        I took his defense to be one of his strengths.

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                          Tackles success not always the best way to measure how good a defender someone is.

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                            Tackles success not always the best way to measure how good a defender someone is.

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                            @frugby said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                            Tackles success not always the best way to measure how good a defender someone is.

                            It's not the only way but when you're at the bottom it's not good no matter what way you spin it.

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                              @frugby said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                              Tackles success not always the best way to measure how good a defender someone is.

                              It's not the only way but when you're at the bottom it's not good no matter what way you spin it.

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                              @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                              @frugby said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                              Tackles success not always the best way to measure how good a defender someone is.

                              It's not the only way but when you're at the bottom it's not good no matter what way you spin it.

                              Fainga'anuku will be in the squad as soon as possible Razor got him back for a reason and he was involved in getting Leicester back.

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                              • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                @brodean do you have the stats for Tavatavanawai?

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                                @Kiwiwomble said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                @brodean do you have the stats for Tavatavanawai?

                                Yes. I'd filtered him out by mistake because his association was listed with Fiji.

                                93.3% Anton Lienert-Brown
                                91.3% Billy Proctor
                                91.3% Braydon Ennor
                                89.1% AJ Lam
                                88.7% Xavi Taele
                                88.4% Quinn Tupaea
                                87.0% Timoci Tavatavanawai
                                86.1% Riley Higgins
                                85.9% Peter Umaga-Jensen
                                84.7% Levi Aumua
                                83.1% David Havili
                                83.0% Bailyn Sullivan
                                80.6% Rieko Ioane
                                80.0% Daniel Rona
                                80.0% Gideon Wrampling
                                79.7% Tanielu Tele'a
                                78.8% Lalomilo Lalomilo
                                66.7% Corey Evans
                                65.7% Sam Gilbert

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                                  @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                  @frugby said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                  Tackles success not always the best way to measure how good a defender someone is.

                                  It's not the only way but when you're at the bottom it's not good no matter what way you spin it.

                                  Fainga'anuku will be in the squad as soon as possible Razor got him back for a reason and he was involved in getting Leicester back.

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                                  @Chris said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                  @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                  @frugby said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                  Tackles success not always the best way to measure how good a defender someone is.

                                  It's not the only way but when you're at the bottom it's not good no matter what way you spin it.

                                  Fainga'anuku will be in the squad as soon as possible Razor got him back for a reason and he was involved in getting Leicester back.

                                  Yup I'm not debating that. That's obvious. I'm doubtful it will be in the midfield though. There is a reason why Razor preferred him on the wing and I believe part of it is his defence.

                                  Someone said they would move ALB out for Fainga'anuku. While Fainga'anuku is an exceptional attacker, ALB is an exceptional defender. I'm not sure what it is this year but last year ALB had the highest amount of try assists of any NZ midfielder in SRP.

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                                    Main difference with Fainga'anuku is his defensive accuracy. When he was at the Crusaders it was between 55% - 75%. He's bumped that up to 75.6% at Toulon this year. It's an improvement.

                                    But if you look at the other midfield contenders he'd be near the bottom in Super Rugby:

                                    Midfield Players by Tackle Success
                                    93.3% Anton Lienert-Brown
                                    91.3% Billy Proctor
                                    91.3% Braydon Ennor
                                    89.1% AJ Lam
                                    88.7% Xavi Taele
                                    88.4% Quinn Tupaea
                                    86.1% Riley Higgins
                                    85.9% Peter Umaga-Jensen
                                    84.7% Levi Aumua
                                    83.1% David Havili
                                    83.0% Bailyn Sullivan
                                    80.6% Rieko Ioane
                                    80.0% Daniel Rona
                                    80.0% Gideon Wrampling
                                    79.7% Tanielu Tele'a
                                    78.8% Lalomilo Lalomilo

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                                    @brodean Potentially misleading statistic if someone defends a massively wide channel. This could be the case for Reiko Ioane. The facts he defends a big area makes life easier for other Blues.

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                                      @Chris said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                      @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                      @frugby said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                      Tackles success not always the best way to measure how good a defender someone is.

                                      It's not the only way but when you're at the bottom it's not good no matter what way you spin it.

                                      Fainga'anuku will be in the squad as soon as possible Razor got him back for a reason and he was involved in getting Leicester back.

                                      Yup I'm not debating that. That's obvious. I'm doubtful it will be in the midfield though. There is a reason why Razor preferred him on the wing and I believe part of it is his defence.

                                      Someone said they would move ALB out for Fainga'anuku. While Fainga'anuku is an exceptional attacker, ALB is an exceptional defender. I'm not sure what it is this year but last year ALB had the highest amount of try assists of any NZ midfielder in SRP.

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                                      @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                      @Chris said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                      @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                      @frugby said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                      Tackles success not always the best way to measure how good a defender someone is.

                                      It's not the only way but when you're at the bottom it's not good no matter what way you spin it.

                                      Fainga'anuku will be in the squad as soon as possible Razor got him back for a reason and he was involved in getting Leicester back.

                                      Yup I'm not debating that. That's obvious. I'm doubtful it will be in the midfield though. There is a reason why Razor preferred him on the wing and I believe part of it is his defence.

                                      Someone said they would move ALB out for Fainga'anuku. While Fainga'anuku is an exceptional attacker, ALB is an exceptional defender. I'm not sure what it is this year but last year ALB had the highest amount of try assists of any midfielder.

                                      I don't think ALB will be moved out he is highly rated by the coaching group.
                                      Leicester maybe Telea's replacement which may mean Telea will be selected for the French series.

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                                        @Kiwiwomble said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                        @brodean do you have the stats for Tavatavanawai?

                                        Yes. I'd filtered him out by mistake because his association was listed with Fiji.

                                        93.3% Anton Lienert-Brown
                                        91.3% Billy Proctor
                                        91.3% Braydon Ennor
                                        89.1% AJ Lam
                                        88.7% Xavi Taele
                                        88.4% Quinn Tupaea
                                        87.0% Timoci Tavatavanawai
                                        86.1% Riley Higgins
                                        85.9% Peter Umaga-Jensen
                                        84.7% Levi Aumua
                                        83.1% David Havili
                                        83.0% Bailyn Sullivan
                                        80.6% Rieko Ioane
                                        80.0% Daniel Rona
                                        80.0% Gideon Wrampling
                                        79.7% Tanielu Tele'a
                                        78.8% Lalomilo Lalomilo
                                        66.7% Corey Evans
                                        65.7% Sam Gilbert

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                                        @brodean Delighted to see Billy Protcor so high. I think his defence has improved massively in the last couple of years.

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                                          @brodean Potentially misleading statistic if someone defends a massively wide channel. This could be the case for Reiko Ioane. The facts he defends a big area makes life easier for other Blues.

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                                          @sparky said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

                                          @brodean Potentially misleading statistic if someone defends a massively wide channel.

                                          It can potentially be misleading but he's at the bottom and he was at the bottom every year in NZ too.

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