All Blacks v France II
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France II:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
And maybe International sides are just better at protecting the ball than domestic sides?
It's a good point you raise. It's interesting watching the Lions, England and Scotland sides this weekend. As the defending team they really attack the ball at the breakdown collectively across the park not relying on any one player for that job.
Yup, a real area the northern sides concentrate on. We like to commit less to breakdowns here obviously as we like to use the full width of the field , but there, obviously committing more numbers to each breakdown, using less of the field, more size across their packs, a real willingness to not lose the ball in the wrong part of the field, a real emphasis on the high ball, all these aspects of play make a specialist jacklers job very hard to have success internationally, as opposed to domestically.
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Up there as one of PTs best games in black?
Hope he can build on that, eas good having 2 big men in him and Holland and then Vaai in the loose.
But damn we need to do.better with our bench, need to revisit the make up of our starting 15 and bench cos we are getting fuck all from them.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France II:
Up there as one of PTs best games in black?
Hope he can build on that, eas good having 2 big men in him and Holland and then Vaai in the loose.
> But damn we need to do.better with out bench, need to revisit the make up of our starting 15 and bench cos we are getting fuck all from them.
Yeah I’m not sure a single individual actually made ANY kind of positive impact.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v France II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Proctor a bit rocks and diamonds.
Diamonds?
I don’t want to upset @Canes4life
In all seriousness I’m just happy he improved from the first test. Was really solid in that second half, definitely looked to grow into his work and showed a bit more confidence with about three big defensive plays. One preventing a try under our posts with a great tackle, second was the turnover just before halftime and the third was the defensive read towards the end of the second half which led to a penalty.
On attack, he was solid without being spectacular but felt the ball didn’t really go his way in that first half with all the kicking. Made a few solid carries in the second.
Onwards and upwards.
Far from the finished product but his improvement from t1 to t2 was good.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
> Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
Interesting seeing a lot of these guys up close in my first AB test since 2011.
The thought of injuries striking and a loose trio of Savea, Lio Willie and Kirifi on the field at the same time is too ridiculous for words. We know what Ardie brings but the other two will just get rag dolled by bigger teams. They honestly looked like halfbacks out there. Savea is still such an X factor player though. The run to set up Vaai was amazing to see.
Reiko Ioane is bigger than I thought he’d be. Would have been good to see him have a crack on the outside. Possibly not as sharp as he used to be.
TNT a pocket battleship, worth persevering with.
Proctor a bit rocks and diamonds.
Jordie effective and did well to bounce back from that tip tackle.
Tuipulotu toiled hard, seems rough he’ll probably be jettisoned when Barrett comes back because they’ll certainly keep Holland on the park as much as possible.
Vaai going from strength to strength. This could be his long term position. Not good news for Finau who did nothing.
Food excellent if over priced ( I had two separate feeds as I was starving ). Beer tolerable.
Was at game too MN5, thoroughly enjoyed it (not unusual usually do go and enjoy tests). Wouldn't really argue with any of your points. The couple of takeaways I got was Holland was f***en good again, Vaa'i just looks the part of a good big 6, and I not convinced about Lio-Willie. Thought Proctor was not bad at all, can't remember Reiko doing a better job at 13 for a good while. Was overly pretty pleased, though it got messy at end when game was wrapped up.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
@Canes4life wellington based training body while a couple of props are out I imagine.
Tavita has been called up a couple times before. He's not unknown to the squad / Jason Ryan
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v France II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
And maybe International sides are just better at protecting the ball than domestic sides?
The French team are very efficient at cleaning out and recycling, and they rarely get isolated in possession
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v France II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
> Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
Interesting seeing a lot of these guys up close in my first AB test since 2011.
The thought of injuries striking and a loose trio of Savea, Lio Willie and Kirifi on the field at the same time is too ridiculous for words. We know what Ardie brings but the other two will just get rag dolled by bigger teams. They honestly looked like halfbacks out there. Savea is still such an X factor player though. The run to set up Vaai was amazing to see.
Reiko Ioane is bigger than I thought he’d be. Would have been good to see him have a crack on the outside. Possibly not as sharp as he used to be.
TNT a pocket battleship, worth persevering with.
Proctor a bit rocks and diamonds.
Jordie effective and did well to bounce back from that tip tackle.
Tuipulotu toiled hard, seems rough he’ll probably be jettisoned when Barrett comes back because they’ll certainly keep Holland on the park as much as possible.
Vaai going from strength to strength. This could be his long term position. Not good news for Finau who did nothing.
Food excellent if over priced ( I had two separate feeds as I was starving ). Beer tolerable.
Was at game too MN5, thoroughly enjoyed it (not unusual usually do go and enjoy tests). Wouldn't really argue with any of your points. The couple of takeaways I got was Holland was f***en good again, Vaa'i just looks the part of a good big 6, and I not convinced about Lio-Willie. Thought Proctor was not bad at all, can't remember Reiko doing a better job at 13 for a good while. Was overly pretty pleased, though it got messy at end when game was wrapped up.
What does this guys actually bring to the table ?
Not taking the piss, genuine question if anyone wants to answer
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v France II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
> Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
Interesting seeing a lot of these guys up close in my first AB test since 2011.
The thought of injuries striking and a loose trio of Savea, Lio Willie and Kirifi on the field at the same time is too ridiculous for words. We know what Ardie brings but the other two will just get rag dolled by bigger teams. They honestly looked like halfbacks out there. Savea is still such an X factor player though. The run to set up Vaai was amazing to see.
Reiko Ioane is bigger than I thought he’d be. Would have been good to see him have a crack on the outside. Possibly not as sharp as he used to be.
TNT a pocket battleship, worth persevering with.
Proctor a bit rocks and diamonds.
Jordie effective and did well to bounce back from that tip tackle.
Tuipulotu toiled hard, seems rough he’ll probably be jettisoned when Barrett comes back because they’ll certainly keep Holland on the park as much as possible.
Vaai going from strength to strength. This could be his long term position. Not good news for Finau who did nothing.
Food excellent if over priced ( I had two separate feeds as I was starving ). Beer tolerable.
Was at game too MN5, thoroughly enjoyed it (not unusual usually do go and enjoy tests). Wouldn't really argue with any of your points. The couple of takeaways I got was Holland was f***en good again, Vaa'i just looks the part of a good big 6, and I not convinced about Lio-Willie. Thought Proctor was not bad at all, can't remember Reiko doing a better job at 13 for a good while. Was overly pretty pleased, though it got messy at end when game was wrapped up.
What does this guys actually bring to the table ?
Not taking the piss, genuine question if anyone wants to answer
I don’t think he’s been bad but it’s a little bit of last man standing with him. They could’ve selected Sotutu in the original squad but other than that, looking at the current squad and the list of injured players, I think Lio-Willie is a guy we won’t see much of when other players get fit. There are a few players in the squad right now who I feel are only there because there’s not much else around right now.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v France II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
> Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
Interesting seeing a lot of these guys up close in my first AB test since 2011.
The thought of injuries striking and a loose trio of Savea, Lio Willie and Kirifi on the field at the same time is too ridiculous for words. We know what Ardie brings but the other two will just get rag dolled by bigger teams. They honestly looked like halfbacks out there. Savea is still such an X factor player though. The run to set up Vaai was amazing to see.
Reiko Ioane is bigger than I thought he’d be. Would have been good to see him have a crack on the outside. Possibly not as sharp as he used to be.
TNT a pocket battleship, worth persevering with.
Proctor a bit rocks and diamonds.
Jordie effective and did well to bounce back from that tip tackle.
Tuipulotu toiled hard, seems rough he’ll probably be jettisoned when Barrett comes back because they’ll certainly keep Holland on the park as much as possible.
Vaai going from strength to strength. This could be his long term position. Not good news for Finau who did nothing.
Food excellent if over priced ( I had two separate feeds as I was starving ). Beer tolerable.
Was at game too MN5, thoroughly enjoyed it (not unusual usually do go and enjoy tests). Wouldn't really argue with any of your points. The couple of takeaways I got was Holland was f***en good again, Vaa'i just looks the part of a good big 6, and I not convinced about Lio-Willie. Thought Proctor was not bad at all, can't remember Reiko doing a better job at 13 for a good while. Was overly pretty pleased, though it got messy at end when game was wrapped up.
What does this guys actually bring to the table ?
Not taking the piss, genuine question if anyone wants to answer
I ask the same. I also not convinced Ardie is better at 7 then 8. But maybe Jacobson will be back at 8 next week?
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v France II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v France II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
> Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
Interesting seeing a lot of these guys up close in my first AB test since 2011.
The thought of injuries striking and a loose trio of Savea, Lio Willie and Kirifi on the field at the same time is too ridiculous for words. We know what Ardie brings but the other two will just get rag dolled by bigger teams. They honestly looked like halfbacks out there. Savea is still such an X factor player though. The run to set up Vaai was amazing to see.
Reiko Ioane is bigger than I thought he’d be. Would have been good to see him have a crack on the outside. Possibly not as sharp as he used to be.
TNT a pocket battleship, worth persevering with.
Proctor a bit rocks and diamonds.
Jordie effective and did well to bounce back from that tip tackle.
Tuipulotu toiled hard, seems rough he’ll probably be jettisoned when Barrett comes back because they’ll certainly keep Holland on the park as much as possible.
Vaai going from strength to strength. This could be his long term position. Not good news for Finau who did nothing.
Food excellent if over priced ( I had two separate feeds as I was starving ). Beer tolerable.
Was at game too MN5, thoroughly enjoyed it (not unusual usually do go and enjoy tests). Wouldn't really argue with any of your points. The couple of takeaways I got was Holland was f***en good again, Vaa'i just looks the part of a good big 6, and I not convinced about Lio-Willie. Thought Proctor was not bad at all, can't remember Reiko doing a better job at 13 for a good while. Was overly pretty pleased, though it got messy at end when game was wrapped up.
What does this guys actually bring to the table ?
Not taking the piss, genuine question if anyone wants to answer
I ask the same. I also not convinced Ardie is better at 7 then 8. But maybe Jacobson will be back at 8 next week?
Yes tend to agree now after years of calling for Ardie to be at 8. Ardie is still a better 8 than Lio Willie and Jacobson. When it comes to securing the ball and making tackles is Ardie really better than Jacobson or Papali'i at 7?
It seems like they do want to bring SItiti in at 8 but he looked well off the pace for the Chiefs when he came back. He may need to get a few games under his belt at NPC level to get his confidence back. Is the RC the place to build his form back when he's still a relative test newbie?
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v France II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
And maybe International sides are just better at protecting the ball than domestic sides?
There was an intresting exchange with the ref where he admitted he got one of those calls wrong.
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@Sprig said in All Blacks v France II:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v France II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
And maybe International sides are just better at protecting the ball than domestic sides?
There was an intresting exchange with the ref where he admitted he got one of those calls wrong.
What way? I felt if anything, the French were unlucky a couple of times.
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Its was the last penalty, where i can only assume the ref pinged him for no clear release. (Not that we see that reffed much anymore at any level) Ref's words were something like 'crowding him too much' which is not exactly the most clearest call.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v France II:
Jordie was bloody good again, making great yards on his carries
Reckon it's worth keeping him at 12?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v France II:
@Frank said in All Blacks v France II:
Jordie was bloody good again, making great yards on his carries
Reckon it's worth keeping him at 12?
Lol would be crazy to move him.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
The thought of injuries striking and a loose trio of Savea, Lio Willie and Kirifi on the field at the same time is too ridiculous for words. We know what Ardie brings but the other two will just get rag dolled by bigger teams. They honestly looked like halfbacks out there. Savea is still such an X factor player though. The run to set up Vaai was amazing to see.
CLW is 2cm shorter than So’oialo and the same weight. Perhaps he should grow some dreds and wear shoulder pads in the off test match, might make him seem bigger.
This French side have big bodies. Their forwards are some of the biggest going around in world rugby. From my viewing, CLW had no problem dealing with bigger bodies on both sides of the ball. Was never driven back, stopped ball carriers in their track.
And I see a lot of Rodders in CLW. Grunt work to allow the other two loosies to play their roles - much like Rodders did for McCaw and Collins.
Overall though, I like that they have so far stuck to their plan when injuries have occurred in the lead up to both tests. Opted for the next cab than shuffle others that could play in that position.
If Luke is fit they will likely give him a run at 8, and I don’t think we will see much difference - both similar type of player.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
The thought of injuries striking and a loose trio of Savea, Lio Willie and Kirifi on the field at the same time is too ridiculous for words. We know what Ardie brings but the other two will just get rag dolled by bigger teams. They honestly looked like halfbacks out there. Savea is still such an X factor player though. The run to set up Vaai was amazing to see.
CLW is 2cm shorter than So’oialo and the same weight. Perhaps he should grow some dreds and wear shoulder pads in the off test match, might make him seem bigger.
This French side have big bodies. Their forwards are some of the biggest going around in world rugby. From my viewing, CLW had no problem dealing with bigger bodies on both sides of the ball. Was never driven back, stopped ball carriers in their track.
And I see a lot of Rodders in CLW. Grunt work to allow the other two loosies to play their roles - much like Rodders did for McCaw and Collins.
Overall though, I like that they have so far stuck to their plan when injuries have occurred in the lead up to both tests. Opted for the next cab than shuffle others that could play in that position.
If Luke is fit they will likely give him a run at 8, and I don’t think we will see much difference - both similar type of player.
He got driven backwards pretty early on or did I imagine that ?
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CLWs listed height and weight are optimistic at best.
Any player selected for the All Blacks at home should be expected to do better than France B/C players.
