All Blacks v Argentina I
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Without Will Jordan and Jordie Barrett we got nothing in the backline.
They are the only two players in there who have both the reputation AND perform to a level commensurate with that reputation consistently.
The rest are journeymen, players on probation (Proctor), players over staying welcomes and/or teacher pet picks.
A high performance unit it is not.
Ireland, England, France, South Africa et al would not be banging down the door to take Reece, Beaudy, Rieko, Finlay Christie, ALB or Proctor off our hands.
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Without Will Jordan and Jordie Barrett we got nothing in the backline.
They are the only two players in there who have both the reputation AND perform to a level commensurate with that reputation consistently.
The rest are journeymen, players on probation (Proctor), players over staying welcomes and/or teacher pet picks.
A high performance unit it is not.
Ireland, England, France, South Africa et al would not be banging down the door to take Reece, Beaudy, Rieko, Finlay Christie, ALB or Proctor off our hands.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Ireland, England, France, South Africa et al would not be banging down the door to take Reece, Beaudy, Rieko, Finlay Christie, ALB or Proctor off our hands.
Their depth is absolute crap. The players you mentioned above would make the Irish 23.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Victor-Meldrew Razor just wants to bank a win in the first game, and then will be aiming to chnace his arm in the second.
He'll probably be very conservative all RC. The last thing he wants is to lose two Championships on the trot
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Victor-Meldrew Razor just wants to bank a win in the first game, and then will be aiming to chnace his arm in the second.
He'll probably be very conservative all RC. The last thing he wants is to lose two Championships on the trot
And despite all the talk of being more bold in selections, test match rugby being a big man's game and learning various lessons from in his time so far as coach, he'll be falling into the exact same trap as last year - where the All Blacks won three of their six Rugby Championship games, thinking experience trumps all, only selecting more inexperienced players when forced to and sticking with players who have been on the decline for years.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Ireland, England, France, South Africa et al would not be banging down the door to take Reece, Beaudy, Rieko, Finlay Christie, ALB or Proctor off our hands.
Their depth is absolute crap. The players you mentioned above would make the Irish 23.
@hikastags said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Ireland, England, France, South Africa et al would not be banging down the door to take Reece, Beaudy, Rieko, Finlay Christie, ALB or Proctor off our hands.
Their depth is absolute crap. The players you mentioned above would make the Irish 23.
I dont think they would bang the doors down for any of them to be honest.
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@hikastags said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Ireland, England, France, South Africa et al would not be banging down the door to take Reece, Beaudy, Rieko, Finlay Christie, ALB or Proctor off our hands.
Their depth is absolute crap. The players you mentioned above would make the Irish 23.
I dont think they would bang the doors down for any of them to be honest.
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@Jet maybe not “bang the doors down”. But they’d make Ireland’s 23.
Beauden easily starts at 10 for them. Prendergast is crap.
@hikastags said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Jet maybe not “bang the doors down”. But they’d make Ireland’s 23.
Thats my point.
Rokocoko, Ben Smith, Nonu, Sivivatu, Jane, Dagg, Mils, Savea, Rico Gear, Carter etc
Historically teams would bite our hands off for any of those players. All our players were "World 15" candidates.
Now you'd be hard pressed on a bar stool to convince the guy beside you that any of our bunch are "world class".
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@hikastags said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Jet maybe not “bang the doors down”. But they’d make Ireland’s 23.
Thats my point.
Rokocoko, Ben Smith, Nonu, Sivivatu, Jane, Dagg, Mils, Savea, Rico Gear, Carter etc
Historically teams would bite our hands off for any of those players. All our players were "World 15" candidates.
Now you'd be hard pressed on a bar stool to convince the guy beside you that any of our bunch are "world class".
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I guess Christie and ALB are there as more of a replacement, than an impact in my opinion. Both the payers they will replace are very inexperienced, so they could come on sooner than later if needed.
Dmac will bring some impact.
So not too upset with it. I'd sooner have some impact instead of experience though, but can see why they have done it.
Starting backline is about as good as we can put out right now. -
Without Will Jordan and Jordie Barrett we got nothing in the backline.
They are the only two players in there who have both the reputation AND perform to a level commensurate with that reputation consistently.
The rest are journeymen, players on probation (Proctor), players over staying welcomes and/or teacher pet picks.
A high performance unit it is not.
Ireland, England, France, South Africa et al would not be banging down the door to take Reece, Beaudy, Rieko, Finlay Christie, ALB or Proctor off our hands.
@Jet id wager they'd use Ioane and BB better, making them the players we know they can be.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Victor-Meldrew Razor just wants to bank a win in the first game, and then will be aiming to chnace his arm in the second.
He'll probably be very conservative all RC. The last thing he wants is to lose two Championships on the trot
You'd think, but it probably doesn't matter until RM is back.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Victor-Meldrew Razor just wants to bank a win in the first game, and then will be aiming to chnace his arm in the second.
He'll probably be very conservative all RC. The last thing he wants is to lose two Championships on the trot
You'd think, but it probably doesn't matter until RM is back.
Nothing does. Everything is basically a rehearsal til then.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
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ALB's bench impact consists of penalties, errors and yellow cards.
You would like to think he is on notice but I doubt it - much more likely is that he is part of the tenured AB group who don't seem to be under selection pressure (of which there are a few)
ALB has racked up 86 tests.
He’s still just 30 so will probably comfortably get over the ton despite being distinctly vanilla in the last few years
The civil servant of Rugby players.
I was done with this lad, and Beaudy and Goodhue and Reece after the 2019 RWC.
I cannot believe some of them are still around.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
- ALB
ALB's bench impact consists of penalties, errors and yellow cards.
You would like to think he is on notice but I doubt it - much more likely is that he is part of the tenured AB group who don't seem to be under selection pressure (of which there are a few)
ALB has racked up 86 tests.
He’s still just 30 so will probably comfortably get over the ton despite being distinctly vanilla in the last few years
The civil servant of Rugby players.
I was done with this lad, and Beaudy and Goodhue and Reece after the 2019 RWC.
I cannot believe some of them are still around.
Goodhue only isn’t cos he got injured. If not he’d be there too
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Sorry team been slack.
Here’s the backline.
- Ratima
- B.Barrett
- Ioane
- J.Barrett
- Proctor
- Reece
- Jordan
Bench
21. Christie
22. Dmac
23. ALBI have no real issues with that starting backline (it picks itself), but Tavatavanawai or Tupaea would be more dynamic options for the bench than ALB.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I have no real issues with that starting backline (it picks itself)
Disagree. For all the ALB hate by some on here, the fact that Reece continues to be selected is more of a problem. It's not like he has been scoring tries for fun for the ABs and running sideways or making ineffective pick and goes doesn't work at test level. FFS give Narawa an opportunity.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I have no real issues with that starting backline (it picks itself)
Disagree. For all the ALB hate by some on here, the fact that Reece continues to be selected is more of a problem. It's not like he has been scoring tries for fun for the ABs and running sideways or making ineffective pick and goes doesn't work at test level. FFS give Narawa an opportunity.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I have no real issues with that starting backline (it picks itself)
Disagree. For all the ALB hate by some on here, the fact that Reece continues to be selected is more of a problem. It's not like he has been scoring tries for fun for the ABs and running sideways or making ineffective pick and goes doesn't work at test level. FFS give Narawa an opportunity.
Yes. Even more Chiefs is the answer.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I have no real issues with that starting backline (it picks itself)
Disagree. For all the ALB hate by some on here, the fact that Reece continues to be selected is more of a problem. It's not like he has been scoring tries for fun for the ABs and running sideways or making ineffective pick and goes doesn't work at test level. FFS give Narawa an opportunity.
Yes. Even more Chiefs is the answer.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I have no real issues with that starting backline (it picks itself)
Disagree. For all the ALB hate by some on here, the fact that Reece continues to be selected is more of a problem. It's not like he has been scoring tries for fun for the ABs and running sideways or making ineffective pick and goes doesn't work at test level. FFS give Narawa an opportunity.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I have no real issues with that starting backline (it picks itself)
Disagree. For all the ALB hate by some on here, the fact that Reece continues to be selected is more of a problem. It's not like he has been scoring tries for fun for the ABs and running sideways or making ineffective pick and goes doesn't work at test level. FFS give Narawa an opportunity.
Though it doesn’t help that Reece has continually out performed other NZ wingers during Super Rugby. If you took last super rugby season in isolation, you’d pick Reece to start on one wing. The chiefs wingers during the final were completely out classed
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Pretty much as expected
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNWUlxDTyCT/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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The pack is as expected.
Finau may need to play Number 8 in the second half.
Not sure why they rate Kirifi so highly. Really not sure his three appearances against the French justified him being given the All Blacks 7 jersey for this one.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
The pack is as expected.
Finau may need to play Number 8 in the second half.
Not sure why they rate Kirifi so highly. Not sure his three appearances against the French justified him being given the All Blacks 7 jersey for this one.
Excluding Lakai, who else would you give it to? We don't have many options atm.
Someone put a highlights package of Kirifi's first test start in Hamilton and for me he was actually pretty bloody busy, but as much as I'm a Kirifi fan I think it's inevitable that he'll step aside for Lakai from next week.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
The pack is as expected.
Finau may need to play Number 8 in the second half.
Not sure why they rate Kirifi so highly. Not sure his three appearances against the French justified him being given the All Blacks 7 jersey for this one.
Excluding Lakai, who else would you give it to? We don't have many options atm.
Someone put a highlights package of Kirifi's first test start in Hamilton and for me he was actually pretty bloody busy, but as much as I'm a Kirifi fan I think it's inevitable that he'll step aside for Lakai from next week.
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@Canes4life I just watched that video.
Terrifying to see him lose a number of collisions and his body positions a couple of times are not good.
@sparky I initially posted the wrong link, did you watch his performance in Hamilton or the one in Dunedin?
Because for me he made massive improvements in the Hamilton performance compared to test 1 and test 2, especially his ball carrying.
I think he will get better and better as he comes more accustomed to test footy. He was the best 7 by a distance in NZ during Super Rugby so the coaches are obviously happy to give him time.
