Ashes 2025/6
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@Dodge said in Ashes 2025/6:
getting battered in the Ashes in Australia is unlike any other sporting experience, it just lasts so long and its so impossible to avoid. The sinking feeling of knowing you're going to have to stay off twitter, the BBC website, whatsapp because of all the bloody Aussies you've known in London over the years.
Watching us throw wickets away and place 'clever fields' after a couple of overs is depressing. Joe Root deserves so much better from those around him. I still think this team can win a test or two in this series but i don't think i can bring myself to watch...
They’re more than capable of Bazballing a win when the series is already lost and then they can tell all the doubters they told them so.
Bazball ROCKS !
touching on what @junior said, no country, and I mean NO COUNTRY builds sporting teams up and then sees shit come crashing down like the English. It's in their journalistic DNA and they are the masters at it.
I become a huge football fan whenever England play just for the amusement of watching them inevitiably shit the bed.....it always cracks me up when this tune gets churned out.......
It’s Coming Home: Is England fan anthem Three Lions a dream, boast or way of life?
Whether the song is arrogant or earnest or ironic has become one of the more contested topics of the last few years
Then again, in 1999 Air New Zealand did paint a plane with the Otago/All Black front row so maybe we're almost as bad sometimes.
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@Virgil said in Ashes 2025/6:
Australia are fucking tough to beat at home no matter their situation, they seem to find another level when its the Ashes too.
And yet we've fallen to the West Indies in recent years at the Gabba, and an Indian side that was forced to make bowling changes that turned out to be a masterstroke.
We're not invincible, and this England team isn't that bad in terms of actual skill, but fuck me some of their mental application in what is fairly mild heat is appalling.
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And that there is the parallel to rugby. The Wallabies mental hoodoo at Eden Park, or NZ in general, is the equivalent of England in Australia. Lesser sides have gone to NZ and won. Lesser cricket sides have come to Australia and won.
But the combination of mental block and the lift in the home team for a grudge match is what makes the difference.
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its a great comparison between the Aussie test side vs the poms and the All Blacks vs Wallabies.
How many times have we pumped you guys after playing badly/losing badly the week before?
We always seem to rise especially when its at Eden Park.
You guys are the same when it comes to the Ashes at home.That and the poms are their own worse enemy, dropping catches. Fumbling moments when they were in front (think their 2nd innings at Perth).
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@Virgil said in Ashes 2025/6:
its a great comparison between the Aussie test side vs the poms and the All Blacks vs Wallabies.
How many times have we pumped you guys after playing badly/losing badly the week before?
We always seem to rise especially when its at Eden Park.
You guys are the same when it comes to the Ashes at home.That and the poms are their own worse enemy, dropping catches. Fumbling moments when they were in front (think their 2nd innings at Perth).
Other sides seem to adapt better to playing in Australia too.https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/new-zealand-in-australia-2019-20-1183522
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@NTA said in Ashes 2025/6:
@MN5 said in Ashes 2025/6:
Then again, in 1999 Air New Zealand did paint a plane with the Otago/All Black front row so maybe we're almost as bad sometimes.
How quickly you all forget 1991 through to 2011...
That sledge was so aggravating for years, especially originating from George Gregan. In recent years I've taken solace that (so far) it's been "never again" for Mr Gregan.
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what has done my head way more than the batting approach has been the bowling "plans". How much short wide shit did they serve up at the 'gabba? the difference in the pitch maps between the two attacks could not have been more stark.
When Scott Boland, and absolute bunny, was occupying the crease they were chucking short shit at him rather than just hitting the top of off and waiting for the inevitable mistake? Boring? Yes. But that's test cricket some times. Chucking short shit at him might make you feel like a tough fluffybunny, but it makes you look stupid.
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@NTA said in Ashes 2025/6:
@MN5 said in Ashes 2025/6:
Then again, in 1999 Air New Zealand did paint a plane with the Otago/All Black front row so maybe we're almost as bad sometimes.
How quickly you all forget 1991 through to 2011...
how long has it been for Australia?
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@mariner4life Yep. They play like they have ADHD.
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@nostrildamus said in Ashes 2025/6:
@NTA said in Ashes 2025/6:
@MN5 said in Ashes 2025/6:
Then again, in 1999 Air New Zealand did paint a plane with the Otago/All Black front row so maybe we're almost as bad sometimes.
How quickly you all forget 1991 through to 2011...
how long has it been for Australia?
you need to be more specific, how long has it been since Australia last won a RWC, or how long has it been since they held the Bledisloe Cup, how long since they have beaten us at Eden Park or how long since they beaten us....
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@reprobate said in Ashes 2025/6:
@mariner4life Yep. They play like they have ADHD.
Contrast that with the likes of McGrath, Hadlee etc.Paddles never resorted to cheap intimidation. His bowling spoke for him.
McGrath was much the same although blotted the copybook a bit by threatening to rip Ramnaraesh Sarwans throat out.
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@nostrildamus said in Ashes 2025/6:
@NTA said in Ashes 2025/6:
@MN5 said in Ashes 2025/6:
Then again, in 1999 Air New Zealand did paint a plane with the Otago/All Black front row so maybe we're almost as bad sometimes.
How quickly you all forget 1991 through to 2011...
how long has it been for Australia?
You say that now of course, but you've got to remember the bad times and the good. For example, and not to derail the cricket thread any furth- nah fuck it:
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@Virgil said in Ashes 2025/6:
you need to be more specific, how long has it been since Australia last won a RWC, or how long has it been since they held the Bledisloe Cup, how long since they have beaten us at Eden Park or how long since they beaten us....
Could be all of it - I'm feeling magnanimous.
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@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:
what has done my head way more than the batting approach has been the bowling "plans". How much short wide shit did they serve up at the 'gabba? the difference in the pitch maps between the two attacks could not have been more stark.
When Scott Boland, and absolute bunny, was occupying the crease they were chucking short shit at him rather than just hitting the top of off and waiting for the inevitable mistake? Boring? Yes. But that's test cricket some times. Chucking short shit at him might make you feel like a tough fluffybunny, but it makes you look stupid.
its telling when you look at the all time best bowling records of pace bowlers in OZ how far down the list any English bowlers are.
Min 50 wicketsCB Turner 63 wickets @ 14.84
Boland 56 wickets @ 15.14
Bumrah 64 wickets @ 17.15
Sir Paddles 77 wickets @ 17.83followed by the likes of Ambrose, Cummins, McGrath and a who's who of greats.
First Pom in the list is SF Barnes who played 120 odd years ago followed by Larwood who used the much loved Bodyline tactic to nullify Bradman
The best modern bowler for the poms is Botham with 69 wickets @ 28.44 in 30th place..
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@Virgil said in Ashes 2025/6:
@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:
what has done my head way more than the batting approach has been the bowling "plans". How much short wide shit did they serve up at the 'gabba? the difference in the pitch maps between the two attacks could not have been more stark.
When Scott Boland, and absolute bunny, was occupying the crease they were chucking short shit at him rather than just hitting the top of off and waiting for the inevitable mistake? Boring? Yes. But that's test cricket some times. Chucking short shit at him might make you feel like a tough fluffybunny, but it makes you look stupid.
its telling when you look at the all time best bowling records of pace bowlers in OZ how far down the list any English bowlers are.
Min 50 wicketsCB Turner 63 wickets @ 14.84
Boland 56 wickets @ 15.14
Bumrah 64 wickets @ 17.15
Sir Paddles 77 wickets @ 17.83followed by the likes of Ambrose, Cummins, McGrath and a who's who of greats.
First Pom in the list is SF Barnes who played 120 odd years ago followed by Larwood who used the much loved Bodyline tactic to nullify Bradman
The best modern bowler for the poms is Botham with 69 wickets @ 28.44 in 30th place..
A real piston wristed gibbon according to the Aussie crowds of the 80s.
Paddles didn't have a bad record against anyone but he particularly lifted when playing across the ditch didn't he ?
I think Beefys stats probably mirrored his overall career stats. First 50 odd tests he was untouchable, next 50 odd he was there solely on reputation, batting and bowling figures suffered. I still would have thought he'd have a better average than that though. His whole reputation and legacy is built around how he went in the Ashes.......
No Anderson, Broad, Willis, Snow etc is pretty telling.......
Larwood sounds like he was a character. Despite the controversy over how he bowled at Bradman he emigrated to Oz and lived there the rest of his life.
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while im digging, had a look at NZ's bowlers record in Oz...
min 250 balls bowled. We havent had the same number of opportunities to tour there of course.
Ignoring obvious part timers, though allowing Coney...Paddles as we know = GOAT
Coney 6 wickets @ 18.00
Wagner 17 wickets @ 22.76
Dayle Hadlee 8 wickets @ 28.75then it gets ugly..
Cairns Snr 15 wickets @ 35.86
Chats 9 wickets @ 37.55
Vettori 36 wickets @ 38.22
Boult 18 wickets @ 38.33
Cairns Jnr 28 wickets @ 39.03
Southee 28 wickets @ 40.00
Coldplay 20 wickets @ 41.00
Doull 11 wickets @ 46.45
Danny Morrison 15 wickets @ 61.40!! -
@Virgil said in Ashes 2025/6:
while im digging, had a look at NZ's bowlers record in Oz...
min 250 balls bowled. We havent had the same number of opportunities to tour there of course.
Ignoring obvious part timers, though allowing Coney...Paddles as we know = GOAT
Coney 6 wickets @ 18.00
Wagner 17 wickets @ 22.76
Dayle Hadlee 8 wickets @ 28.75then it gets ugly..
Cairns Snr 15 wickets @ 35.86
Chats 9 wickets @ 37.55
Vettori 36 wickets @ 38.22
Boult 18 wickets @ 38.33
Cairns Jnr 28 wickets @ 39.03
Southee 28 wickets @ 40.00
Coldplay 20 wickets @ 41.00
Doull 11 wickets @ 46.45
Danny Morrison 15 wickets @ 61.40!!DK was SO much better than his stats suggested.
Border always seemed to struggle against him ( although others didn't judging by that record
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