Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2
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@Richie8-7 springboks in auckland was good
But seems like some think we only win when the opposition play bad so that game probably doesn't count either@Chuck72
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@Chuck72
Do you think the ABs are playing well?@Old-Alleynians they have their moments where it seems to click but not consistent enough
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Ireland are definitely heading on the downslide with a aging roster and uncertainty at 10.
On the last weekend's game, Faingaanuku was brilliant and thought he was one of our best along with De Groot and Clarke.
I've got the feeling Scotland might be a tougher challenge than what Ireland was.
@MacDazzler said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Ireland are definitely heading on the downslide with a aging roster and uncertainty at 10.
Although it would be good of them to pull a massive performance out of the hat and get a win against the Boks in a couple of weeks time…..
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Prediction: An easy win for us.
If there are petty cards or too much TMO I'll lose my fucking shit.
I wonder were the reffing crew given a tap on the shoulder to say "we are trying to grow the game here, ease up on the douchebaggery".
@Jet said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Prediction: An easy win for us.
If there are petty cards or too much TMO I'll lose my fucking shit.
I wonder were the reffing crew given a tap on the shoulder to say "we are trying to grow the game here, ease up on the douchebaggery".
This was my post two minutes before kick off.
Sad state of affairs.
People are disillusioned with the game and justifiably so.
The sport is being destroyed.
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This win is a huge boost for the confidence for the rest of the tour. The scottish forwards won't match the ABs during the last 20 minutes.
@cgrant said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
This win is a huge boost for the confidence for the rest of the tour. The scottish forwards won't match the ABs during the last 20 minutes.
Us beating Ireland wasn't unexpected, they haven't been strong since 2023/22.
I agree with other posters with a feeling Scotland have more potential to give us a scare this week & England have a lot more individual talent right now compared to Ireland, who don't have any strong ball carriers or speed in the backline nor impactful players - as shown by the bench discrepancies last week.
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I couldn’t help thinking that at about 60 the ABs seemed to relax and then their play flowed with real dynamism which the Irish couldn’t handle.
Maybe some psychology to sort?
@pakman said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
the ABs seemed to relax and then their play flowed with real dynamism
I've had this vague thought for an age.
B.Barrett in particular - used to be fucking awesome when just having fun... playing like he's back on the farm doing chip-kicks and re-gathering them at will. Then when trying to play a structured game... under pressure like Bowie and Mercury - shit.
The rest of the team... maybe has become the same.
And that's definitely a coaching thing... I wouldn't know how to coach that: "play naturally when you're feeling it; but play differently when maybe that's not quite working and just do this structure" -
@pakman said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
the ABs seemed to relax and then their play flowed with real dynamism
I've had this vague thought for an age.
B.Barrett in particular - used to be fucking awesome when just having fun... playing like he's back on the farm doing chip-kicks and re-gathering them at will. Then when trying to play a structured game... under pressure like Bowie and Mercury - shit.
The rest of the team... maybe has become the same.
And that's definitely a coaching thing... I wouldn't know how to coach that: "play naturally when you're feeling it; but play differently when maybe that's not quite working and just do this structure"@Kruse said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
And that's definitely a coaching thing... I wouldn't know how to coach that: "play naturally when you're feeling it; but play differently when maybe that's not quite working and just do this structure"
plan A, here, have some free beer
plan B, ok, the wife's here, she's got the keys and she's not happy... -
@pakman said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
the ABs seemed to relax and then their play flowed with real dynamism
I've had this vague thought for an age.
B.Barrett in particular - used to be fucking awesome when just having fun... playing like he's back on the farm doing chip-kicks and re-gathering them at will. Then when trying to play a structured game... under pressure like Bowie and Mercury - shit.
The rest of the team... maybe has become the same.
And that's definitely a coaching thing... I wouldn't know how to coach that: "play naturally when you're feeling it; but play differently when maybe that's not quite working and just do this structure"@Kruse said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@pakman said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
the ABs seemed to relax and then their play flowed with real dynamism
I've had this vague thought for an age.
B.Barrett in particular - used to be fucking awesome when just having fun... playing like he's back on the farm doing chip-kicks and re-gathering them at will. Then when trying to play a structured game... under pressure like Bowie and Mercury - shit.
The rest of the team... maybe has become the same.
And that's definitely a coaching thing... I wouldn't know how to coach that: "play naturally when you're feeling it; but play differently when maybe that's not quite working and just do this structure"
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I couldn’t help thinking that at about 60 the ABs seemed to relax and then their play flowed with real dynamism which the Irish couldn’t handle.
Maybe some psychology to sort?
@pakman said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I couldn’t help thinking that at about 60 the ABs seemed to relax and then their play flowed with real dynamism which the Irish couldn’t handle.
Maybe some psychology to sort?
I think Williams go ahead score made all the difference in the world.
The ABs played so much better with the lead than they did when trailing.
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@pakman said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I couldn’t help thinking that at about 60 the ABs seemed to relax and then their play flowed with real dynamism which the Irish couldn’t handle.
Maybe some psychology to sort?
I think Williams go ahead score made all the difference in the world.
The ABs played so much better with the lead than they did when trailing.
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If you're used to winning, you are always confident you can find a way to win and you are confident in what you do, and under pressure you just up the intensity and accuracy. See our players vs Ireland in Dublin 2013.
If you're used to losing, you lack confidence. You freeze up or start doing silly low percentage things - because when you do what you normally do you lose, so you need a miracle play - when it looks like you might lose again. See Sexton's missed kick in Dublin 2013, and our current ABs when they get scoreboard pressure. -
If you're used to winning, you are always confident you can find a way to win and you are confident in what you do, and under pressure you just up the intensity and accuracy. See our players vs Ireland in Dublin 2013.
If you're used to losing, you lack confidence. You freeze up or start doing silly low percentage things - because when you do what you normally do you lose, so you need a miracle play - when it looks like you might lose again. See Sexton's missed kick in Dublin 2013, and our current ABs when they get scoreboard pressure.@reprobate current Bok team summed up.
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@nonpartizan I think you’re right. But I think we can learn to play with confidence even when behind!
@pakman said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@nonpartizan I think you’re right. But I think we can learn to play with confidence even when behind!
Yeah, for the first 60 mins when chasing the game the ABs were not playing as if winning was an inevitability and that they all they had to do was just keep persevering. As soon as they took the lead they played with freedom like you said and just began playing to their potential.
There was a discernible shift in confidence as you say. By the end of the game it was as if the result was "never in doubt"...... To tweak the old adage it was a game of two halves - it's just the that first half lasted an hour!
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@pakman said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@nonpartizan I think you’re right. But I think we can learn to play with confidence even when behind!
Yeah, for the first 60 mins when chasing the game the ABs were not playing as if winning was an inevitability and that they all they had to do was just keep persevering. As soon as they took the lead they played with freedom like you said and just began playing to their potential.
There was a discernible shift in confidence as you say. By the end of the game it was as if the result was "never in doubt"...... To tweak the old adage it was a game of two halves - it's just the that first half lasted an hour!
@nonpartizan said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@pakman said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@nonpartizan I think you’re right. But I think we can learn to play with confidence even when behind!
Yeah, for the first 60 mins when chasing the game the ABs were not playing as if winning was an inevitability and that they all they had to do was just keep persevering. As soon as they took the lead they played with freedom like you said and just began playing to their potential.
There was a discernible shift in confidence as you say. By the end of the game it was as if the result was "never in doubt"...... To tweak the old adage it was a game of two halves - it's just the that first half lasted an hour!
Did their play change because of the subs though?
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@nonpartizan said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@pakman said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@nonpartizan I think you’re right. But I think we can learn to play with confidence even when behind!
Yeah, for the first 60 mins when chasing the game the ABs were not playing as if winning was an inevitability and that they all they had to do was just keep persevering. As soon as they took the lead they played with freedom like you said and just began playing to their potential.
There was a discernible shift in confidence as you say. By the end of the game it was as if the result was "never in doubt"...... To tweak the old adage it was a game of two halves - it's just the that first half lasted an hour!
Did their play change because of the subs though?
@canefan said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@nonpartizan said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@pakman said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@nonpartizan I think you’re right. But I think we can learn to play with confidence even when behind!
Yeah, for the first 60 mins when chasing the game the ABs were not playing as if winning was an inevitability and that they all they had to do was just keep persevering. As soon as they took the lead they played with freedom like you said and just began playing to their potential.
There was a discernible shift in confidence as you say. By the end of the game it was as if the result was "never in doubt"...... To tweak the old adage it was a game of two halves - it's just the that first half lasted an hour!
Did their play change because of the subs though?
For sure the subs were a major part of it but the team only began playing to it's potential when they got their nose in front, 14-13 imo. The play itself that got them into the game was a scuffed kick by Jordan followed by Hollands tackle and Quinn forcing a penalty at the breakdown and they were all starters.
Once they grabbed that lead it seemed to me that they played without a lot of pressure on them and they had belief.
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@Kruse said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
And that's definitely a coaching thing... I wouldn't know how to coach that: "play naturally when you're feeling it; but play differently when maybe that's not quite working and just do this structure"
plan A, here, have some free beer
plan B, ok, the wife's here, she's got the keys and she's not happy...@nostrildamus said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Kruse said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
And that's definitely a coaching thing... I wouldn't know how to coach that: "play naturally when you're feeling it; but play differently when maybe that's not quite working and just do this structure"
plan A, here, have some free beer
plan B, ok, the wife's here, she's got the keys and she's not happy...Are we now saying though... Use Plan-A despite the wife arriving?
Coz... metaphor-aside, I'm currently 100% on that trainIf not clear - I'm smashed, and just took a toke. And just hit a button which made my screen do something I don't know how to get out of...
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@nostrildamus said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Kruse said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
And that's definitely a coaching thing... I wouldn't know how to coach that: "play naturally when you're feeling it; but play differently when maybe that's not quite working and just do this structure"
plan A, here, have some free beer
plan B, ok, the wife's here, she's got the keys and she's not happy...Are we now saying though... Use Plan-A despite the wife arriving?
Coz... metaphor-aside, I'm currently 100% on that trainIf not clear - I'm smashed, and just took a toke. And just hit a button which made my screen do something I don't know how to get out of...
@Kruse said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Kruse said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
And that's definitely a coaching thing... I wouldn't know how to coach that: "play naturally when you're feeling it; but play differently when maybe that's not quite working and just do this structure"
plan A, here, have some free beer
plan B, ok, the wife's here, she's got the keys and she's not happy...Are we now saying though... Use Plan-A despite the wife arriving?
Coz... metaphor-aside, I'm currently 100% on that trainIf not clear - I'm smashed, and just took a toke. And just hit a button which made my screen do something I don't know how to get out of...
if you're on Plan A, Plan B sounds possible but at some point it isn't and you don't really care. So, enjoy your jump into the multiverse...
