England v All Blacks
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@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:
I think who ever coaches us, we’re fucked. The backline is genuinely fucked. Not a single person with the exception of Roigard deserves to be picked
Pick players that can be coached. Mould them into a tight unit. Drop the stars if the can’t play for the team. That is NZ rugby. The best international club side. They are a rabble right now.
@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:
@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:
I think who ever coaches us, we’re fucked. The backline is genuinely fucked. Not a single person with the exception of Roigard deserves to be picked
Pick players that can be coached. Mould them into a tight unit. Drop the stars if the can’t play for the team. That is NZ rugby. The best international club side. They are a rabble right now.
In my mind, that excludes BB, Dmac, and Tupaea. They seem uncoachable
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We've gone backwards in so many areas, but the worse thing is we now simply give up at times. Wholesale change needed at the top from NZR down - some serious reviews of where the game is and what the issues are is needed
Scott Robertson is clearly out of his depth. Spent his 1st year learning the ropes and his second year producing some of the worst AB displays I've seen. May be great with Hamner 3rds and a crusaders side but found out at Test level
To all those people who told us all was good in NZ Rugby world and we only needed a new coach to fix everything, fuck off.
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
We've gone backwards in so many areas, but the worse thing is we now simply give up at times. Wholesale change needed at the top from NZR down - some serious reviews of where the game is and what the issues are needed
Scott Robertson is clearly out of his depth. Spent his 1st year learning the ropes and his second year producing some of the worst AB displays I've seen. May be great with Hamner 3rds and a crusaders side but found out at Test level
To all those people who told us all was good in NZ Rugby world and we only needed a new coach to fix everything, fuck off.
You cant run test footy on vibes.
Rassie understands the rules are shite, the refs are shite etc. He also acknowledges workloads and understands dressing room cultures.
He is coach, diplomat, propagandist, cheerleader all rolled into one.
NZRU and Robertson and Foster before him hope/expect the refs and TMO's will do right by them and hope/expect that all our second and 3rd string players will hang around for the chance to get one cap.
Rassie keeps 50/60 boys feeling included, interested, feeling loved and makes sure he holds every person outside their camp be it refs, administrators or opposition players to account.
Thats leadership.
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@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
A new coach won’t fix our lack of basic skills.
"Our basic skills" translates to selecting a first five that couldn't win a Beauden Barrett lookalike contest and a captain with the resolve of a teaspoon of sugar. I could do better.
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
A new coach won’t fix our lack of basic skills.
"Our basic skills" translates to selecting a first five that couldn't win a Beauden Barrett lookalike contest and a captain with the resolve of a teaspoon of sugar. I could do better.
Sure, but that lets soooo many others off lightly.
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Our attack shape is horrible.
The players (outside of the has-beens) are all there.We genuinely have the worst attacking shape in international rugby.
Why does Scott Barrett handle the ball every time we go to the backs with his delayed pivot pass that is moronicly predictable? WHY?
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@Tim Nope. That was 2012.
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Tim Nope. That was 2012.
Nooo that must be some AI. That says the ABs had Jane and Nonu, Conrad and McCaw, Mealamu and Whitelock. And this was Hansen basically photocopying Henry’s playbook. I thought they were ruthless and calm and well coached.
Tuilagi and Barrit ripped us a new one that night.
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This game once again highlights that Josh Jacomb simply had to get out of the Chiefs. I have no idea if the guy is the answer, but we need multiple young 10s playing week in week out. Instead you’re going to see DMac, BB, Brett Cameron, and whoever the Highlanders serve up playing the majority of the minutes at 10. It’s insane to me NZR didn’t step in.
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Razor needs to show some balls and drop a fair few of his veterans. He won't though because you get the feeling that he's coaching for his job at the moment. The fact that we've gone an entire year without even blooding another 10 just speaks volumes about how much of a pussy Razor is.
@Fale009 said in England Vs All Blacks:
Razor needs to show some balls and drop a fair few of his veterans. He won't though because you get the feeling that he's coaching for his job at the moment. The fact that we've gone an entire year without even blooding another 10 just speaks volumes about how much of a pussy Razor is.
That you J? Or little bro?
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Think it's time to put a line through B Barrett, Savea, ALB, Kirifi, Proctor, and Ratima. Just not very good.
Parker mediocre.
@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:
Think it's time to put a line through B Barrett, Savea, ALB, Kirifi, Proctor, and Ratima. Just not very good.
Parker mediocre.
You just reminded me that Parker was playing today.
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South Africa dont give a fuck about the Currie Cup. There main focus is the boks. Brutal forward pack build to dominate. A kicking game with runners create chaos. Simple but affective. No forwards with behind the back play just up the guts. Fuck this is so frustrating.
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@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Tim Nope. That was 2012.
Nooo that must be some AI. That says the ABs had Jane and Nonu, Conrad and McCaw, Mealamu and Whitelock. And this was Hansen basically photocopying Henry’s playbook. I thought they were ruthless and calm and well coached.
Tuilagi and Barrit ripped us a new one that night.
@ACT-Crusader Rumour has it some of the guys went and saw the Rolling Stones on the Sunday before that Test and some of them got invited to the band's after party and were still feeling the effects a few days later.
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@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
A new coach won’t fix our lack of basic skills.
"Our basic skills" translates to selecting a first five that couldn't win a Beauden Barrett lookalike contest and a captain with the resolve of a teaspoon of sugar. I could do better.
Sure, but that lets soooo many others off lightly.
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
A new coach won’t fix our lack of basic skills.
"Our basic skills" translates to selecting a first five that couldn't win a Beauden Barrett lookalike contest and a captain with the resolve of a teaspoon of sugar. I could do better.
Sure, but that lets soooo many others off lightly.
I struggle to see how selection isn't a major issue that sees "sooooo" many others not even involved.
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We use our penalties better and we defend more intelligently and we win that test.
England's score board management, attacking shape and defensive organisation were in a different league to ours.
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Well it a bit strange. I not feeling absolutely gutted (disappointed of course), I just don't think this AB team is good enough to really deserve a Grand Slam and go into the ranks of the good teams that have done it.
@Dan54 said in England Vs All Blacks:
Well it a bit strange. I not feeling absolutely gutted (disappointed of course), I just don't think this AB team is good enough to really deserve a Grand Slam and go into the ranks of the good teams that have done it.
I remember thinking at the time 2008 grand slam team was a much weaker side than usual, but what I would give for them now!!
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@sparky England played average, with little direction and just fed off mistakes and awful play. They didn't even get out of second gear and subs made it even more messy.
That's our game and they rolled, bowled and arseholed us.
@Bones And that's why I'm not that upset.
Better leadership, especially at First Five, and we are a comfortably better team.
The evidence and the solution have been starring this coaching panel in the face for some time.
This is fixable next year, if there is a will to do so.
