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    I was deeply unhappy when I viewed 30 to 50 of England tape.

    BUT I just want ABs to continue the legacy.

    ABs were ahead at HT in 10 of 12 tests this year.

    The clear inference is that the starting selection is the best in World Rugby.

    I know that doesn't fit the current narrative, but those are facts, and we led the Boks at HT in both games.

    AND in general our last quarter is fine.

    NO NEED TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH BATHWATER!

    We have quite a few key players out: Lomax/Vaa'i/Paddy T/Jordie/Narewa.

    The decision not to hook Beauden at 30 cost us the England match. We should have been out of sight at HT.

    And yes, we dropped our bundle when Codie was shown the absurd yellow card.

    BUT this team isn't that far from where we need to be.

    When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.

    The coaching staff needs to eat some humble pie and apologise to the squad.

    Including recognising that fresh legs sometimes are more important than playing the best players into the ground.

    So subbing the releavant starters at 45/50 is now the smart play!

    So get back on the horse and focus on giving the Welsh one hell of a beating.

    END OF RANT.

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    @pakman said in FFS get a grip:

    ABs were ahead at HT in 10 of 12 tests this year.

    Unfortunately for Scott Robertson and his chums, Rugby Tests aren't decided after 40 minutes.

    A loss is a loss is a loss.

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    @sparky said in FFS get a grip:

    @pakman said in FFS get a grip:

    ABs were ahead at HT in 10 of 12 tests this year.

    Unfortunately for Scott Robertson and his chums, Rugby Tests aren't decided after 40 minutes.

    A loss is a loss is a loss.

    The starters are OK. I don’t know what the hell happens in the shed at half time, but that and the substitution tactics are where the problem is.

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    We are consistently inconsistent. Sometimes we start well and end badly, other times we start poorly and end well. The worst part is that we appear unable to dictate the pace of games, much of the time vs England I felt like they were dictating terms to us not the other way around. All these faults lie with the coaches and staff who aren't getting the best out of the group they have chosen

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    Record losses, three in one year, that's cool?

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    @Tim said in FFS get a grip:

    Record losses, three in one year, that's cool?

    And wins that were far from convincing. We could have easily lost more of those

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    FFS I don't think I've felt this angry and frustrated by the ABs since the first years of Fozz. It almost feels worse because I hoped Razor would be the broom we needed to usher in a new era. How wrong I was. I pray that something is done so the next two years allow us to avoid embarassing ourselves in SA and at the RWC27

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    The point is that second half is where the issue lies. Simply not good enough.

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    @pakman said in FFS get a grip:

    The point is that second half is where the issue lies. Simply not good enough.

    I get what you are saying, but I would argue the problems are far deeper than that

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    Think you’ll find that the points scored against you in the second half is a better indicator of whether or not you “won” the first half.

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    @Smuts said in FFS get a grip:

    Think you’ll find that the points scored against you in the second half is a better indicator of whether or not you “won” the first half.

    If your boys had clicked in the first half we would have had to send the women and children out much earlier....

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    @pakman said in FFS get a grip:

    I was deeply unhappy when I viewed 30 to 50 of England tape.

    BUT I just want ABs to continue the legacy.

    ABs were ahead at HT in 10 of 12 tests this year.

    The clear inference is that the starting selection is the best in World Rugby.

    I know that doesn't fit the current narrative, but those are facts, and we led the Boks at HT in both games.

    AND in general our last quarter is fine.

    NO NEED TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH BATHWATER!

    We have quite a few key players out: Lomax/Vaa'i/Paddy T/Jordie/Narewa.

    The decision not to hook Beauden at 30 cost us the England match. We should have been out of sight at HT.

    And yes, we dropped our bundle when Codie was shown the absurd yellow card.

    BUT this team isn't that far from where we need to be.

    When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.

    The coaching staff needs to eat some humble pie and apologise to the squad.

    Including recognising that fresh legs sometimes are more important than playing the best players into the ground.

    So subbing the releavant starters at 45/50 is now the smart play!

    So get back on the horse and focus on giving the Welsh one hell of a beating.

    END OF RANT.

    He’s a key player after only four tests? Crikey

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    @MN5 I did leave that in for impact, but he is my preferred right wing.

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    Alternative view is other teams are happy to start the teams they’re starting in the knowledge that their ‘finishers’ will at least make it tight at the end

    And if the starters haven’t given the ABs too much of a lead then the confidence that a win and a possible record score is on the cards

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    Can one of the bright sparks on the Fern work out how many points the All Blacks have scored and conceded in 2025 when Cam Roigard has been on the field?

    And then how many they have scored and conceded in 2025 when he has been off the field?

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    @sparky said in FFS get a grip:

    Can one of the bright sparks on the Fern work out any many points the All Blacks have scored and conceded in 2025 when Cam Roigard has been on the field?

    And then how many they have scored and conceded in 2025 when he has been off the field?

    Purely based on the eye test, we are a different team when Cam is on the field. But we depend far too much on him, because we have an empty shirt at 10

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    It's still the ABs, we can still beat anyone and it's not like there are 15 absolute duds on the field that teams are just going to put 30 points on in the first half.
    But the accumulation of errors and us being unable to take opportunities adds up over the 80 minutes. Our use of the bench is still mediocre at best. Our ability to stand up to scoreboard pressure and remain calm is poor, because our leaders (BB, AS) think they need to make a miracle play, and that rubs off on everyone else.

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    @reprobate said in FFS get a grip:

    It's still the ABs, we can still beat anyone and it's not like there are 15 absolute duds on the field that teams are just going to put 30 points on in the first half.
    But the accumulation of errors and us being unable to take opportunities adds up over the 80 minutes. Our use of the bench is still mediocre at best. Our ability to stand up to scoreboard pressure and remain calm is poor, because our leaders (BB, AS) think they need to make a miracle play, and that rubs off on everyone else.

    Systemic issues that are preventing the team from doing their best

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    @reprobate said in FFS get a grip:

    It's still the ABs, we can still beat anyone and it's not like there are 15 absolute duds on the field that teams are just going to put 30 points on in the first half.
    But the accumulation of errors and us being unable to take opportunities adds up over the 80 minutes. Our use of the bench is still mediocre at best. Our ability to stand up to scoreboard pressure and remain calm is poor, because our leaders (BB, AS) think they need to make a miracle play, and that rubs off on everyone else.

    KISS?

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    @pakman said in FFS get a grip:

    @sparky said in FFS get a grip:

    @pakman said in FFS get a grip:

    ABs were ahead at HT in 10 of 12 tests this year.

    Unfortunately for Scott Robertson and his chums, Rugby Tests aren't decided after 40 minutes.

    A loss is a loss is a loss.

    The starters are OK. I don’t know what the hell happens in the shed at half time, but that and the substitution tactics are where the problem is.

    I disagree, starters are the issue, as is game plan.

    Starters-
    BB has started at 1st 5 and is labored in his position, seems slow at getting ball to backs, kicking game has been off and looks over coached, over trained.

    Will Jordon hasn't shown the form from his previous years. why? possibly confidence, maybe trying to play a structured game plan that doesn't suit him, but he hasn't been on form on this NH tour.

    Leroy Carter isn't our best wing, yet has been picked every game had a brain fart for a Yellow, missed a tackle that led to a Try and hasn't scored a Try on tour.

    Scott Barrett is out of form, and hasn't lead team well IMO.

    Parker is a great defender, but hasn't added to the attack like a Sititi

    Game Plan-

    We look half assed in attack, the league style of passing behind player only works if the ball is passed in front of player receiving. Time and time we see the ball go loose, or the player has to reach behind them to take ball. This no look pop pass fucken infuriates me as it offers nothing yet is a high percentage lost ball that leads to points,
    BB take ball at first five and is laboured in his delivery, it's almost like slow motion, giving defenses time. Seems the "Crash" ball in Centres is plan, but easily read by teams.
    Also "fast ball" is what I think they are trying to achieve, but teams slow this down and it's not effective. the penalty tap is an example. We got one try from Cody Taylor flicking up to Sititi? but that about the only positive.
    High ball kicks-the only thing to say is the kick is only as good as the chaser.

    One thing that fucks me off is the Coaches comments about "Care" We Care for the players, they showed Care blah blah fucken blah. Care doesn't win Test Matches.

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