FFS get a grip
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@Paj lots of good observations BUT those starters are statistically the best in world over first halves this year.
I haven’t analysed Q3s but my hunch is that said starters are pants in that period. Either that or the half time team talks are lessons in self sabotage.
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@Paj said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@sparky said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
ABs were ahead at HT in 10 of 12 tests this year.
Unfortunately for Scott Robertson and his chums, Rugby Tests aren't decided after 40 minutes.
A loss is a loss is a loss.
The starters are OK. I don’t know what the hell happens in the shed at half time, but that and the substitution tactics are where the problem is.
I disagree, starters are the issue, as is game plan.
Starters-
BB has started at 1st 5 and is labored in his position, seems slow at getting ball to backs, kicking game has been off and looks over coached, over trained.Will Jordon hasn't shown the form from his previous years. why? possibly confidence, maybe trying to play a structured game plan that doesn't suit him, but he hasn't been on form on this NH tour.
Leroy Carter isn't our best wing, yet has been picked every game had a brain fart for a Yellow, missed a tackle that led to a Try and hasn't scored a Try on tour.
Scott Barrett is out of form, and hasn't lead team well IMO.
Parker is a great defender, but hasn't added to the attack like a Sititi
Game Plan-
We look half assed in attack, the league style of passing behind player only works if the ball is passed in front of player receiving. Time and time we see the ball go loose, or the player has to reach behind them to take ball. This no look pop pass fucken infuriates me as it offers nothing yet is a high percentage lost ball that leads to points,
BB take ball at first five and is laboured in his delivery, it's almost like slow motion, giving defenses time. Seems the "Crash" ball in Centres is plan, but easily read by teams.
Also "fast ball" is what I think they are trying to achieve, but teams slow this down and it's not effective. the penalty tap is an example. We got one try from Cody Taylor flicking up to Sititi? but that about the only positive.
High ball kicks-the only thing to say is the kick is only as good as the chaser.One thing that fucks me off is the Coaches comments about "Care" We Care for the players, they showed Care blah blah fucken blah. Care doesn't win Test Matches.
Wow things must be bad for one of the OGs to come out and comment
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@canefan said in FFS get a grip:
@Paj said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@sparky said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
ABs were ahead at HT in 10 of 12 tests this year.
Unfortunately for Scott Robertson and his chums, Rugby Tests aren't decided after 40 minutes.
A loss is a loss is a loss.
The starters are OK. I don’t know what the hell happens in the shed at half time, but that and the substitution tactics are where the problem is.
I disagree, starters are the issue, as is game plan.
Starters-
BB has started at 1st 5 and is labored in his position, seems slow at getting ball to backs, kicking game has been off and looks over coached, over trained.Will Jordon hasn't shown the form from his previous years. why? possibly confidence, maybe trying to play a structured game plan that doesn't suit him, but he hasn't been on form on this NH tour.
Leroy Carter isn't our best wing, yet has been picked every game had a brain fart for a Yellow, missed a tackle that led to a Try and hasn't scored a Try on tour.
Scott Barrett is out of form, and hasn't lead team well IMO.
Parker is a great defender, but hasn't added to the attack like a Sititi
Game Plan-
We look half assed in attack, the league style of passing behind player only works if the ball is passed in front of player receiving. Time and time we see the ball go loose, or the player has to reach behind them to take ball. This no look pop pass fucken infuriates me as it offers nothing yet is a high percentage lost ball that leads to points,
BB take ball at first five and is laboured in his delivery, it's almost like slow motion, giving defenses time. Seems the "Crash" ball in Centres is plan, but easily read by teams.
Also "fast ball" is what I think they are trying to achieve, but teams slow this down and it's not effective. the penalty tap is an example. We got one try from Cody Taylor flicking up to Sititi? but that about the only positive.
High ball kicks-the only thing to say is the kick is only as good as the chaser.One thing that fucks me off is the Coaches comments about "Care" We Care for the players, they showed Care blah blah fucken blah. Care doesn't win Test Matches.
Wow things must be bad for one of the OGs to come out and comment
Haha, yep, been brewing for awhile. I was so excited for this tour, and especially Ireland and England. and to get up at 4.45am and watch that pile of shit and then milk cows late in a grumpy mood has me back lurking in the forum.
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Welcome back
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@Paj lots of good observations BUT those starters are statistically the best in world over first halves this year.
Imagine that the first five took on the line to keep the defence engaged, passed quickly and kicked accurately. Imagine a backline that ran onto the ball at different angles and passed accurately.
Imagine using running props as options to keep the defence stationary. Used the non-running forwards to clean rucks instead of the other way around.
Imagine loose forwards that had a body of work on both sides of the ball.
I haven’t analysed Q3s but my hunch is that said starters are pants in that period. Either that or the half time team talks are lessons in self sabotage.
I think the latter is more true than not given that's the opportunity for the incompetent to offer their insights and poison the minds of those on the field who have been doing the work.
But that doesn't absolve those on the field for abominably bad decisions.
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
this is the problem though....our whole game plan for the last 6 years has been about attack from anywhere with miracle plays....ive seen nothing over the last several years to believe we can change gears, selections are all centred around individual brilliance
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think the first half on Sunday morning was good because we were ahead on the scoreboard is some box score bullshit.
the starters ARE a problem.Are we completely fucked? no
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@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
what do you mean by this?
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
The poms blew definitely 2 maybe 3 try scoring opportunities in the first half, and couldn't win a lineout. We were not good at all.
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credit where it's due, our defensive lineout was fucking ace on the weekend, and the scrum was good right up until the card.
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@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
what do you mean by this?
When your 10 can neither kick for touch nor take shots at goal competent substitution would be to replace him with someone who can.
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
of all this sort of weird rant, this is the bit that stands out as being the issue.
our "processes" are actually the problem and contributing enormously to why we are failing. The process, on either side of the ball, seem to be adding pressure to ourselves rather than the opposition.
What, exactly, is this superiority you think we just need fall back on? Our powerful forwards? Superior kicking accuracy? Fast, creative backs? what exactly is it you see that i don't? -
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
what do you mean by this?
When your 10 can neither kick for touch nor take shots at goal competent substitution would be to replace him with someone who can.
the problem is playing him at all. He's the very definition of washed. which goes back to the issues that everyone is talking about and you seem to be ignoring.
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@mariner4life the lineout is our only area of superiority.
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@reprobate said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the lineout is our only area of superiority.
Edit: and only with Taylor on.ah, edit got me. it is right up until it's not.
Also we make the weirdest lineout calls at crucial times. Most of the time we run a pretty simple but effective set of movements, but then when we feel pressure we resort to overly complicated, three movement calls that we seem to fuck up more than we win.
