All Blacks 2026
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
This is obviously a resounding positive and the best move NZ rugby could have done. I am not sure however about the somewhat revisionist comments that this shit show is entirely on Robertson’s shoulders
Clearly losing the dressing room is entirely down to Robertson - the one key thing any coach is responsible for.
Robertson’s greatest failing behind his obvious poor player management style, was trying to polish a turd that had been there for 8-9 years. Not completely cleaning house was a mistake.
Agree. Lack of Test experience meant he lacked the smarts to do that. Understandable in the first year, but not in the second. A lot of that is down to NZR wanting their man in charge and not having much of strategy for choosing the coaching group as a whole.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
This is obviously a resounding positive and the best move NZ rugby could have done. I am not sure however about the somewhat revisionist comments that this shit show is entirely on Robertson’s shoulders
Clearly losing the dressing room is entirely down to Robertson - the one key thing any coach is responsible for.
Robertson’s greatest failing behind his obvious poor player management style, was trying to polish a turd that had been there for 8-9 years. Not completely cleaning house was a mistake.
Agree. Lack of Test experience meant he lacked the smarts to do that. Understandable in the first year, but not in the second. A lot of that is down to NZR wanting their man in charge and not having much of strategy for choosing the coaching group as a whole.
Yes losing the dressing room is entirely the coaches fault. But what I was referring to more generally was the results and culture. Big part Robertson, big part the players
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Could you please point out a time where Beauden and Savea have led a team to success? I’m not entirely sure their opinion means anything when they don’t know how to do it? I am really not sure why anyone is defending those two at all?
Barrett has one more (insert here; GOLD) RWC Cup medal around his neck than I do, scored a try in the final if I recall correctly. You'll have to ask a Canes fan to confirm but I think he was also pretty important in 2016 when they won Super Rugby. 20-3 I think?
Savea, according to AI:
"Moana Pasifika: In the 2025 Super Rugby Pacific season, as captain, Savea led Moana Pasifika to their most successful campaign to date, securing six wins and nearly making their first-ever playoffs appearance. His leadership was widely credited for the team's significant improvement.
Hurricanes: He was part of the Hurricanes' 2016 Super Rugby title-winning team. He later became the team's captain in 2021.
Wellington: Savea captained his Wellington provincial side during the 2015 ITM Cup season, leading them to the Championship division final.
Junior Levels: His leadership qualities were evident from a young age, as he captained his First XV school team and the New Zealand Schools team to victories.""Major Individual Awards (Cups):
World Rugby Player of the Year: 2023 (the sport's highest individual award).
Kelvin R. Tremain Memorial Player of the Year (NZ Rugby): 2019, 2023, 2025.
All Blacks Player of the Year: 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2025.
Super Rugby Pacific Player of the Year: 2025 (for Moana Pasifika)." -
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Could you please point out a time where Beauden and Savea have led a team to success? I’m not entirely sure their opinion means anything when they don’t know how to do it? I am really not sure why anyone is defending those two at all?
Barrett has one more RWC Cup medal around his neck than I do, scored a try in the final if I recall correctly. You'll have to ask a Canes fan to confirm but I think he was also pretty important in 2016 when they won Super Rugby. 20-3 I think?
Savea, according to AI:
"Moana Pasifika: In the 2025 Super Rugby Pacific season, as captain, Savea led Moana Pasifika to their most successful campaign to date, securing six wins and nearly making their first-ever playoffs appearance. His leadership was widely credited for the team's significant improvement.
Hurricanes: He was part of the Hurricanes' 2016 Super Rugby title-winning team. He later became the team's captain in 2021.
Wellington: Savea captained his Wellington provincial side during the 2015 ITM Cup season, leading them to the Championship division final.
Junior Levels: His leadership qualities were evident from a young age, as he captained his First XV school team and the New Zealand Schools team to victories.""Major Individual Awards (Cups):
World Rugby Player of the Year: 2023 (the sport's highest individual award).
Kelvin R. Tremain Memorial Player of the Year (NZ Rugby): 2019, 2023, 2025.
All Blacks Player of the Year: 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2025.
Super Rugby Pacific Player of the Year: 2025 (for Moana Pasifika)."They are the two whipping boys that planet Red n Black will focus their ire on. But the few Cantab supporters that I know weren't entirely happy with his performance as early as the mid year tests of 2025. I'd suspect there were many more
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Could you please point out a time where Beauden and Savea have led a team to success? I’m not entirely sure their opinion means anything when they don’t know how to do it? I am really not sure why anyone is defending those two at all?
Barrett has one more RWC Cup medal around his neck than I do, scored a try in the final if I recall correctly. You'll have to ask a Canes fan to confirm but I think he was also pretty important in 2016 when they won Super Rugby. 20-3 I think?
Savea, according to AI:
"Moana Pasifika: In the 2025 Super Rugby Pacific season, as captain, Savea led Moana Pasifika to their most successful campaign to date, securing six wins and nearly making their first-ever playoffs appearance. His leadership was widely credited for the team's significant improvement.
Hurricanes: He was part of the Hurricanes' 2016 Super Rugby title-winning team. He later became the team's captain in 2021.
Wellington: Savea captained his Wellington provincial side during the 2015 ITM Cup season, leading them to the Championship division final.
Junior Levels: His leadership qualities were evident from a young age, as he captained his First XV school team and the New Zealand Schools team to victories.""Major Individual Awards (Cups):
World Rugby Player of the Year: 2023 (the sport's highest individual award).
Kelvin R. Tremain Memorial Player of the Year (NZ Rugby): 2019, 2023, 2025.
All Blacks Player of the Year: 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2025.
Super Rugby Pacific Player of the Year: 2025 (for Moana Pasifika)."They are the two whipping boys that planet Red n Black will focus their ire on. But the few Cantab supporters that I know weren't entirely happy with his performance as early as the mid year tests of 2025. I'd suspect there were many more
This whole conversation is dumb as fuck anyway. We didn't fucking select those guys, Razor and his team did.
That's totally apart from the fact that the review wasn't with two fucking players.
Also totally apart from the fact that there are sources, from here, detailing the poor environment, so why wouldn't players speak up when the yearly review is part of their role?
@African-Monkey was right, we should ignore it. I wish I had.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2026:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
I think we are getting a touch of what Canterbury / Crusaders social media looks like right now.
I reckon.
Looks like they are beginning a SM counter-offensive.
But they got nuttin.I can't speak for everyone else. But I really wanted Razor to work out. And it gives me no pleasure to see it end like this. But he came in on an unprecedented wave of goodwill, had the Professor available as an advisor, and only has himself to blame for the way this has gone down
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Could you please point out a time where Beauden and Savea have led a team to success? I’m not entirely sure their opinion means anything when they don’t know how to do it? I am really not sure why anyone is defending those two at all?
Barrett has one more RWC Cup medal around his neck than I do, scored a try in the final if I recall correctly. You'll have to ask a Canes fan to confirm but I think he was also pretty important in 2016 when they won Super Rugby. 20-3 I think?
Savea, according to AI:
"Moana Pasifika: In the 2025 Super Rugby Pacific season, as captain, Savea led Moana Pasifika to their most successful campaign to date, securing six wins and nearly making their first-ever playoffs appearance. His leadership was widely credited for the team's significant improvement.
Hurricanes: He was part of the Hurricanes' 2016 Super Rugby title-winning team. He later became the team's captain in 2021.
Wellington: Savea captained his Wellington provincial side during the 2015 ITM Cup season, leading them to the Championship division final.
Junior Levels: His leadership qualities were evident from a young age, as he captained his First XV school team and the New Zealand Schools team to victories.""Major Individual Awards (Cups):
World Rugby Player of the Year: 2023 (the sport's highest individual award).
Kelvin R. Tremain Memorial Player of the Year (NZ Rugby): 2019, 2023, 2025.
All Blacks Player of the Year: 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2025.
Super Rugby Pacific Player of the Year: 2025 (for Moana Pasifika)."So only the last five mins of the RWC final in the greatest team of all time, scoring a try in garage time when the game was won. One super rugby title 10 years ago. Nothing since
Again, Savea, nothing since the start of his super rugby career. Not the leader, not the main player.
If anything, you’ve proved my point. No international success as leaders. Nothing in the past 3-4 years
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
Some people on here have so much hindsight I wonder if they have any normal sight left.
Actually, apart from a few Robertson-fluffing loons, there is very little. Plenty of goodwill and hoping things turned out well, but clearly willing to judge on progress
forum.silverfern.rugby/topic/5884/it-s-razor-robertson-new-all-blacks-coach
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Is Tony Brown free to join as an assistant coach?
The added bonus of him coaching the AB’s is that it also takes him away from SA where he has been vital in there success.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Could you please point out a time where Beauden and Savea have led a team to success? I’m not entirely sure their opinion means anything when they don’t know how to do it? I am really not sure why anyone is defending those two at all?
Barrett has one more RWC Cup medal around his neck than I do, scored a try in the final if I recall correctly. You'll have to ask a Canes fan to confirm but I think he was also pretty important in 2016 when they won Super Rugby. 20-3 I think?
Savea, according to AI:
"Moana Pasifika: In the 2025 Super Rugby Pacific season, as captain, Savea led Moana Pasifika to their most successful campaign to date, securing six wins and nearly making their first-ever playoffs appearance. His leadership was widely credited for the team's significant improvement.
Hurricanes: He was part of the Hurricanes' 2016 Super Rugby title-winning team. He later became the team's captain in 2021.
Wellington: Savea captained his Wellington provincial side during the 2015 ITM Cup season, leading them to the Championship division final.
Junior Levels: His leadership qualities were evident from a young age, as he captained his First XV school team and the New Zealand Schools team to victories.""Major Individual Awards (Cups):
World Rugby Player of the Year: 2023 (the sport's highest individual award).
Kelvin R. Tremain Memorial Player of the Year (NZ Rugby): 2019, 2023, 2025.
All Blacks Player of the Year: 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2025.
Super Rugby Pacific Player of the Year: 2025 (for Moana Pasifika)."So only the last five mins of the RWC final in the greatest team of all time, scoring a try in garage time when the game was won. One super rugby title 10 years ago. Nothing since
Again, Savea, nothing since the start of his super rugby career. Not the leader, not the main player.
If anything, you’ve proved my point. No international success as leaders. Nothing in the past 3-4 years
Makes you wonder why Robertson kept selecting them, eh?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Could you please point out a time where Beauden and Savea have led a team to success? I’m not entirely sure their opinion means anything when they don’t know how to do it? I am really not sure why anyone is defending those two at all?
Barrett has one more RWC Cup medal around his neck than I do, scored a try in the final if I recall correctly. You'll have to ask a Canes fan to confirm but I think he was also pretty important in 2016 when they won Super Rugby. 20-3 I think?
Savea, according to AI:
"Moana Pasifika: In the 2025 Super Rugby Pacific season, as captain, Savea led Moana Pasifika to their most successful campaign to date, securing six wins and nearly making their first-ever playoffs appearance. His leadership was widely credited for the team's significant improvement.
Hurricanes: He was part of the Hurricanes' 2016 Super Rugby title-winning team. He later became the team's captain in 2021.
Wellington: Savea captained his Wellington provincial side during the 2015 ITM Cup season, leading them to the Championship division final.
Junior Levels: His leadership qualities were evident from a young age, as he captained his First XV school team and the New Zealand Schools team to victories.""Major Individual Awards (Cups):
World Rugby Player of the Year: 2023 (the sport's highest individual award).
Kelvin R. Tremain Memorial Player of the Year (NZ Rugby): 2019, 2023, 2025.
All Blacks Player of the Year: 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2025.
Super Rugby Pacific Player of the Year: 2025 (for Moana Pasifika)."So only the last five mins of the RWC final in the greatest team of all time, scoring a try in garage time when the game was won. One super rugby title 10 years ago. Nothing since
Again, Savea, nothing since the start of his super rugby career. Not the leader, not the main player.
If anything, you’ve proved my point. No international success as leaders. Nothing in the past 3-4 years
Makes you wonder why Robertson kept selecting them, eh?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Could you please point out a time where Beauden and Savea have led a team to success? I’m not entirely sure their opinion means anything when they don’t know how to do it? I am really not sure why anyone is defending those two at all?
Barrett has one more RWC Cup medal around his neck than I do, scored a try in the final if I recall correctly. You'll have to ask a Canes fan to confirm but I think he was also pretty important in 2016 when they won Super Rugby. 20-3 I think?
Savea, according to AI:
"Moana Pasifika: In the 2025 Super Rugby Pacific season, as captain, Savea led Moana Pasifika to their most successful campaign to date, securing six wins and nearly making their first-ever playoffs appearance. His leadership was widely credited for the team's significant improvement.
Hurricanes: He was part of the Hurricanes' 2016 Super Rugby title-winning team. He later became the team's captain in 2021.
Wellington: Savea captained his Wellington provincial side during the 2015 ITM Cup season, leading them to the Championship division final.
Junior Levels: His leadership qualities were evident from a young age, as he captained his First XV school team and the New Zealand Schools team to victories.""Major Individual Awards (Cups):
World Rugby Player of the Year: 2023 (the sport's highest individual award).
Kelvin R. Tremain Memorial Player of the Year (NZ Rugby): 2019, 2023, 2025.
All Blacks Player of the Year: 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2025.
Super Rugby Pacific Player of the Year: 2025 (for Moana Pasifika)."So only the last five mins of the RWC final in the greatest team of all time, scoring a try in garage time when the game was won. One super rugby title 10 years ago. Nothing since
Again, Savea, nothing since the start of his super rugby career. Not the leader, not the main player.
If anything, you’ve proved my point. No international success as leaders. Nothing in the past 3-4 years
Makes you wonder why Robertson kept selecting them, eh?
I completely agree with you. No where have I defended Robertson. I’m glad he’s gone
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It was fascinating to hear Paul mention Joseph, Brown and Rennie together as a team, as it had already been hinted at by someone in this thread I think.
The discussions from Kirk about giving freedom to choose / select assistants was welcome, we might have some movement towards NZRU being a professional organization now that Robinson is finally fucked right off.
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On the Savea thing; I think his membership of the PI AB group had maybe more influence on the course of events in the last few days, than his membership of the senior player AB group
He would be the unquestioned leader of the PI group.
Some one here posted some inside info here that the PIs as a group were pissed off.
That was a red flag for me.
I'd say Savea and Mealamu had a serious convo this week.When I heard that the PIs as a group were pissed; I considered it all over for Razor.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
It was fascinating to hear Paul mention Joseph, Brown and Rennie together as a team, as it had already been hinted at by someone in this thread I think.
The discussions from Kirk about giving freedom to choose / select assistants was welcome, we might have some movement towards NZRU being a professional organization now that Robinson is finally fucked right off.
Paul also mentioned another name for possible coach, Ian Foster….
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@westie_boy said in All Blacks 2026:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
It was fascinating to hear Paul mention Joseph, Brown and Rennie together as a team, as it had already been hinted at by someone in this thread I think.
The discussions from Kirk about giving freedom to choose / select assistants was welcome, we might have some movement towards NZRU being a professional organization now that Robinson is finally fucked right off.
Paul also mentioned another name for possible coach, Ian Foster….
Doubt he'd be interested after the way he was treated.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2026:
On the Savea thing; I think his membership of the PI AB group had maybe more influence on the course of events in the last few days, than his membership of the senior player AB group
He would be the unquestioned leader of the PI group.
Some one here posted some inside info here that the PIs as a group were pissed off.
That was a red flag for me.
I'd say Savea and Mealamu had a serious convo this week.When I heard that the PIs as a group were pissed; I considered it all over for Razor.
It's one of the challenges that has been flagged up here - on the pitch Ardie didnt get it done in 2025 but off the pitch he is more powerful than ever heading into 2026.
I don't see how an incoming coach is gonna feel he can drop him if that is what is best for the team because if he loses Ardies support and buy in that is gonna undermine his support from the wider playing group. Ardie is possibly the most powerful AB player ever since he has influence throughout the squad but also Mealamus ear.
It's not something I would personally want to manage.
