B&I Lions 2017
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@Crucial Henry made quite a few changes across the 3 tests in 2005, some of that was rotation in certain positions (TH prop, halfback and fullback) and then the mass changes in the 3rd test. I don't expect Hansen to do that but attrition will mean injuries occur in both squads.
I am hoping that Hansen will release some players back to the Maori, Chiefs and Canes if they aren't in the likely AB 23 for tests 1 and 2. Speaking of which, a number of players will be elligible for both the Chiefs and Maori but probably won't be able to play in both games as they are only 3 days apart. One or both of those teams could be severely weakened. We should be trying to put the strongest teams on the field in each game.
@Bovidae said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial Henry made quite a few changes across the 3 tests in 2005, some of that was rotation in certain positions (TH prop, halfback and fullback) and then the mass changes in the 3rd test. I don't expect Hansen to do that but attrition will mean injuries occur in both squads.
I am hoping that Hansen will release some players back to the Maori, Chiefs and Canes if they aren't in the likely AB 23 for tests 1 and 2. Speaking of which, a number of players will be elligible for both the Chiefs and Maori but probably won't be able to play in both games as they are only 3 days apart. One or both of those teams could be severely weakened. We should be trying to put the strongest teams on the field in each game.
Not saying there won't be changes, just that I don't expect any new players to be introduced from outside of the squads recently used and returning injuries
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@Crucial Henry made quite a few changes across the 3 tests in 2005, some of that was rotation in certain positions (TH prop, halfback and fullback) and then the mass changes in the 3rd test. I don't expect Hansen to do that but attrition will mean injuries occur in both squads.
I am hoping that Hansen will release some players back to the Maori, Chiefs and Canes if they aren't in the likely AB 23 for tests 1 and 2. Speaking of which, a number of players will be elligible for both the Chiefs and Maori but probably won't be able to play in both games as they are only 3 days apart. One or both of those teams could be severely weakened. We should be trying to put the strongest teams on the field in each game.
@Bovidae said in B&I Lions 2017:
I am hoping that Hansen will release some players back to the Maori, Chiefs and Canes if they aren't in the likely AB 23 for tests 1 and 2. Speaking of which, a number of players will be elligible for both the Chiefs and Maori but probably won't be able to play in both games as they are only 3 days apart. One or both of those teams could be severely weakened. We should be trying to put the strongest teams on the field in each game.
Won't happen, but I'd actually like him to be even more ballsy and release anyone not in the starting XV - and perhaps even a few of them. Sure, there's a handful of players who are head and shoulders above the next best who perhaps shouldn't be risked - the likes of Coles, Retallick and Beauden - but, we've got lots of options e.g. in the midfield and the wings where it wouldn't be the end of the world if someone happened to get injured. The Lions are going to have to risk their players and the tour will be much better if we do a bit too.
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@Crucial Henry made quite a few changes across the 3 tests in 2005, some of that was rotation in certain positions (TH prop, halfback and fullback) and then the mass changes in the 3rd test. I don't expect Hansen to do that but attrition will mean injuries occur in both squads.
I am hoping that Hansen will release some players back to the Maori, Chiefs and Canes if they aren't in the likely AB 23 for tests 1 and 2. Speaking of which, a number of players will be elligible for both the Chiefs and Maori but probably won't be able to play in both games as they are only 3 days apart. One or both of those teams could be severely weakened. We should be trying to put the strongest teams on the field in each game.
@Bovidae said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial Henry made quite a few changes across the 3 tests in 2005, some of that was rotation in certain positions (TH prop, halfback and fullback) and then the mass changes in the 3rd test. I don't expect Hansen to do that but attrition will mean injuries occur in both squads.
I am hoping that Hansen will release some players back to the Maori, Chiefs and Canes if they aren't in the likely AB 23 for tests 1 and 2. Speaking of which, a number of players will be elligible for both the Chiefs and Maori but probably won't be able to play in both games as they are only 3 days apart. One or both of those teams could be severely weakened. We should be trying to put the strongest teams on the field in each game.
Didn't they already say they weren't going to?
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@Bovidae said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial Henry made quite a few changes across the 3 tests in 2005, some of that was rotation in certain positions (TH prop, halfback and fullback) and then the mass changes in the 3rd test. I don't expect Hansen to do that but attrition will mean injuries occur in both squads.
I am hoping that Hansen will release some players back to the Maori, Chiefs and Canes if they aren't in the likely AB 23 for tests 1 and 2. Speaking of which, a number of players will be elligible for both the Chiefs and Maori but probably won't be able to play in both games as they are only 3 days apart. One or both of those teams could be severely weakened. We should be trying to put the strongest teams on the field in each game.
Didn't they already say they weren't going to?
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I'm bandwagon jumping/knee-jerking early and calling for an ALB/Ioane midfield. Defend that you fuckers.
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I'm bandwagon jumping/knee-jerking early and calling for an ALB/Ioane midfield. Defend that you fuckers.
@mariner4life said in B&I Lions 2017:
I'm bandwagon jumping/knee-jerking early and calling for an ALB/Ioane midfield. Defend that you fuckers.
SBW / Crotty
(Actually I like the idea of ALB/Ioane)
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I don't know what it is but I have a weird inside icky feeling when I think of SBW making the AB's ahead of anyone else
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I don't know what it is but I have a weird inside icky feeling when I think of SBW making the AB's ahead of anyone else
@hooroo yeah I get a bit annoyed that he has made the ABs over me so many times, I have always been way more committed to NZ Rugby than him, aside from talent, what else does he have over me?
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I'm bandwagon jumping/knee-jerking early and calling for an ALB/Ioane midfield. Defend that you fuckers.
@mariner4life said in B&I Lions 2017:
I'm bandwagon jumping/knee-jerking early and calling for an ALB/Ioane midfield. Defend that you fuckers.
I'd be more c oncerned the other way, as ALB & Ioane both went "have we met? who were you taking again? & Savea goes "Crotty or Conrad usually tells me where to stand"" as the Lions run straight through our midfield.
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The midfield will be an interesting one ,
too early for me to pick , I guess we dont know how SBW is going to come back yet,
Would SBW ALB work ?
Would not surprise me to see hardly anybody picking Crotty , but he ends up in there , unfashionable , meat and potatoes type , but is pretty dependable
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@mariner4life said in B&I Lions 2017:
I'm bandwagon jumping/knee-jerking early and calling for an ALB/Ioane midfield. Defend that you fuckers.
I'd be more c oncerned the other way, as ALB & Ioane both went "have we met? who were you taking again? & Savea goes "Crotty or Conrad usually tells me where to stand"" as the Lions run straight through our midfield.
@gollum for someone so bombastic, you don't have much of a sense of adventure do you?
I'm bored with winning all the time, i want to be excited! It's a "cut myself to feel something" kinda thing
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@gollum for someone so bombastic, you don't have much of a sense of adventure do you?
I'm bored with winning all the time, i want to be excited! It's a "cut myself to feel something" kinda thing
@mariner4life said in B&I Lions 2017:
@gollum for someone so bombastic, you don't have much of a sense of adventure do you?
I'm bored with winning all the time, i want to be excited! It's a "cut myself to feel something" kinda thing
Totally agree.
Which is why we should copy the selection policy of 2005. In the first test we went for the conservative options in MacDonald, Howlett and Marshall. And after being too clinical and too efficient in the first test, we then made a raft of unforced changes in the backline. Mils, Gear and Kelleher started the 2nd test, with Nonu on the bench. Completely changing the dynamic and not giving the Lions any chance whatsoever to settle into their opponents.
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@gollum for someone so bombastic, you don't have much of a sense of adventure do you?
I'm bored with winning all the time, i want to be excited! It's a "cut myself to feel something" kinda thing
@mariner4life we could do a backline of fullbacks....
10 DMac
12 Jordie Barrett (stretch I know...)
11 NMS
13 Ben Smith
14 Dagg
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@mariner4life we could do a backline of fullbacks....
10 DMac
12 Jordie Barrett (stretch I know...)
11 NMS
13 Ben Smith
14 Dagg
15 BB@taniwharugby some would say you have Dagg and DMac in their wrong spots...
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@taniwharugby some would say you have Dagg and DMac in their wrong spots...
@mariner4life well I did start with Dagg at 10, but figured at least DMac has some experience there....
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@gollum for someone so bombastic, you don't have much of a sense of adventure do you?
I'm bored with winning all the time, i want to be excited! It's a "cut myself to feel something" kinda thing
@mariner4life said in B&I Lions 2017:
@gollum for someone so bombastic, you don't have much of a sense of adventure do you?
I'm bored with winning all the time, i want to be excited! It's a "cut myself to feel something" kinda thing
We lost once last year & once the year before. Thats enough of a rollercoaster for me.
@Frye said in B&I Lions 2017:
Totally agree.
Which is why we should copy the selection policy of 2005. In the first test we went for the conservative options in MacDonald, Howlett and Marshall. And after being too clinical and too efficient in the first test, we then made a raft of unforced changes in the backline. Mils, Gear and Kelleher started the 2nd test, with Nonu on the bench. Completely changing the dynamic and not giving the Lions any chance whatsoever to settle into their opponents.
And it worked so well we rolled it out again in the 2007 world cup.
