B&I Lions 2017
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No argument Faumuina will make it in, I just don't think Pulu has a shot in hell, not unless TKB has pissed off Hansen (and it sure doesn't seem like he has, unlike Luatua). If TKB does miss out, I think it'd be more because they only selected two halfbacks.
But yeah, I'd like to see TKB in a Maori jersey, alongside a few other ABs and AB hopefuls. Hoping for Cruden or ALB is probably a bit too much but I don't see why DMac, Elliot Dixon or Rieko Ioane (assuming they all make it) couldn't be released. I watched the 2005 Maori vs Lions game last night and one of the coolest parts, aside from the win, was seeing Hayman, Gibbes, Holah, Weepu, MacDonald, Spencer (though he was out of the ABs by then), Rico Gear and McAlister all in there.
@Unco No ALB or DLB for the Maori.
I'd look at the Maori game in another way and use it to strike an early blow against the Lions like the Maori did in 2005. OK, it's possible that the Blues, Crusaders or Highlanders could win their games but you would think that the Lions shadow test XV will start against the Maori.
So that means selecting the strongest possible team including some ABs.
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Composite Lions XV, from the selections of 20 leading pundits, created by the Western Mail.
Not sure who those pundits are, but it's an interesting team....4 Welsh, 1 Scot, 6 English and 4 Irish.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/definitive-lions-xv-experts-picked-12803029
Here's my take
B&I Lions XV
15 Stuart Hogg
14 George North
13 Jonathan Joseph
12 Owen Farrell
11 Liam Williams
10 George Ford
9 Rhys Webb1 Mako Vunipola
2 Ken Owens
3 Tadhg Furlong
4 AW Jones
5 Maro Itoje
6 Ross Moriarty
7 Sam Warburton
8 Billy VunipolaReplacements:
Joe Marler, Jamie George, Dan Cole, Joe Launchbury, Justin Tipuric
Connor Murray, Elliot Daly, Leigh Halfpenny@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
Composite Lions XV, from the selections of 20 leading pundits, created by the Western Mail.
Connor Murray.
Conor Murray.
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@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
Composite Lions XV, from the selections of 20 leading pundits, created by the Western Mail.
Connor Murray.
Conor Murray.
@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
Composite Lions XV, from the selections of 20 leading pundits, created by the Western Mail.
Connor Murray.
Conor Murray.
Just because his mum can't spell doesn't mean we should dumb down as well
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@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
Composite Lions XV, from the selections of 20 leading pundits, created by the Western Mail.
Connor Murray.
Conor Murray.
Just because his mum can't spell doesn't mean we should dumb down as well
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
Composite Lions XV, from the selections of 20 leading pundits, created by the Western Mail.
Connor Murray.
Conor Murray.
Just because his mum can't spell doesn't mean we should dumb down as well
Agreed. Although calling Mike his mum is crossing the line. He is Welsh after all. They're sensitive souls....
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How very prescient of them considering our guys are only just winding up and lots can happen in Super rugby.
They obviously haven't been watching the Super games as they have excluded one of the standout players so far in TKB. A 9 that will be way more up to speed on AB systems than Pulu. Pulu will be 4th in order should injuries happen.
SBW to make a comeback attempt yet as well at the possible expense of Moala.
As for the Taufua over Dixon call? Can't see that happening (injuries aside)
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
How very prescient of them considering our guys are only just winding up and lots can happen in Super rugby.
They obviously haven't been watching the Super games as they have excluded one of the standout players so far in TKB. A 9 that will be way more up to speed on AB systems than Pulu. Pulu will be 4th in order should injuries happen.
SBW to make a comeback attempt yet as well at the possible expense of Moala.
As for the Taufua over Dixon call? Can't see that happening (injuries aside)
Hard to pick an ABs squad without knowing how many they're going to name or what positions. BUT,..
- I don't really see Tu'ungafasi being ahead of Laulala as a tighthead and certainly several on the loosehead side most notably Hames and Manu. They may well just pick 4 props and have two others training with them.
1a. If Harris comes back strongly he'd be a reasonable shot over Coltman. I think he's due back this month isn't he?
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Locks - Romano and Tuipolotu both under a bit of pressure from Barrett and Bird IMO.
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Loosie mix looks wrong - don't see Taufua as more than an outside chance, doubtful they'll pick three opensides, and Messam may be in the equation (assume he's available?) - as might Luke Whitelock!!!
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Halfback - TKB ahead of Pulu
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Sopoaga added to the first fives
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Unless he's injured it will surprise me not to see SBW in for Moala.
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I don't really see the point of DMac - a third fullback - in this selection. I'd expect to see Ioane, Naholo or even Tamanivalu/Moala instead.
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A warm-up game against Samoa seems to be a real possibility now. So does Hansen name a large squad before this game or refine the squad after they play?
Thinking back to 2005 and the Fiji game, Anesi came off the bench for his one and only test cap but wasn't involved in the Lions series. Tuiali’I didn't make the final cut either. That AB side also didn't include any players involved in the Maori-Lions game the following night so only 24 players were named.
A Friday June 16 date could again eliminate some Highlanders players, and some Maori players, assuming a handful are released if they aren't involved in the AB match-day 23. As it would be an official test match you couldn't give all the squad some time on the field. So it's better to give other members of the squad a game in those other fixtures than none at all for 2 weeks.
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Given the constantly shifting sands with injuries, form and new players coming through maybe it is better at this stage to list those players that are probably in the frame. In some areas the net may be cast a little wider in case of a run of late injuries to incumbents.
Props: Franks, Faumuina, Moody, Crockett, Tu’ungafasi, Hames, Laulala, Manu
Hookers: Coles, Taylor, Coltman, Elliott, Harris
Locks: Retallick, Whitelock, Romano, Tuipulotu, Barrett, Bird
Loosies; Kaino, Cane, Savea, Dixon, Squire, Read, Todd, Taufua, Messam, Douglas, Whitelock
Halfbacks: Smith, TJP, Pulu, TKB
10s: Barrett, Cruden, Sopoaga
Midfielders: Crotty, Fekitoa, ALB, Moala, SBW, Proctor, Laumape, Buckman, Ioane, Tamanivalu
Outside backs: Savea, NMS, Smith, Dagg, DMac, Naholo, Aso -
Given the constantly shifting sands with injuries, form and new players coming through maybe it is better at this stage to list those players that are probably in the frame. In some areas the net may be cast a little wider in case of a run of late injuries to incumbents.
Props: Franks, Faumuina, Moody, Crockett, Tu’ungafasi, Hames, Laulala, Manu
Hookers: Coles, Taylor, Coltman, Elliott, Harris
Locks: Retallick, Whitelock, Romano, Tuipulotu, Barrett, Bird
Loosies; Kaino, Cane, Savea, Dixon, Squire, Read, Todd, Taufua, Messam, Douglas, Whitelock
Halfbacks: Smith, TJP, Pulu, TKB
10s: Barrett, Cruden, Sopoaga
Midfielders: Crotty, Fekitoa, ALB, Moala, SBW, Proctor, Laumape, Buckman, Ioane, Tamanivalu
Outside backs: Savea, NMS, Smith, Dagg, DMac, Naholo, Aso -
@Crucial Harris can't be too far away from playing and he's ahead of Coltman in the pecking order.
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Given the constantly shifting sands with injuries, form and new players coming through maybe it is better at this stage to list those players that are probably in the frame. In some areas the net may be cast a little wider in case of a run of late injuries to incumbents.
Props: Franks, Faumuina, Moody, Crockett, Tu’ungafasi, Hames, Laulala, Manu
Hookers: Coles, Taylor, Coltman, Elliott, Harris
Locks: Retallick, Whitelock, Romano, Tuipulotu, Barrett, Bird
Loosies; Kaino, Cane, Savea, Dixon, Squire, Read, Todd, Taufua, Messam, Douglas, Whitelock
Halfbacks: Smith, TJP, Pulu, TKB
10s: Barrett, Cruden, Sopoaga
Midfielders: Crotty, Fekitoa, ALB, Moala, SBW, Proctor, Laumape, Buckman, Ioane, Tamanivalu
Outside backs: Savea, NMS, Smith, Dagg, DMac, Naholo, Aso@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
Hookers: Coles, Taylor, Coltman, Elliott, Harris
Do you reckon Elliott is actually in the frame? I reckon he's been clearly and repeatedly blackballed. Surely Parsons (god help us) is more in the frame?
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@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
Hookers: Coles, Taylor, Coltman, Elliott, Harris
Do you reckon Elliott is actually in the frame? I reckon he's been clearly and repeatedly blackballed. Surely Parsons (god help us) is more in the frame?
@Chris-B. said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
Hookers: Coles, Taylor, Coltman, Elliott, Harris
Do you reckon Elliott is actually in the frame? I reckon he's been clearly and repeatedly blackballed. Surely Parsons (god help us) is more in the frame?
I'd have Pleasants-Tate before Elliot....
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@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
Hookers: Coles, Taylor, Coltman, Elliott, Harris
Do you reckon Elliott is actually in the frame? I reckon he's been clearly and repeatedly blackballed. Surely Parsons (god help us) is more in the frame?
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@Chris-B. said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
Hookers: Coles, Taylor, Coltman, Elliott, Harris
Do you reckon Elliott is actually in the frame? I reckon he's been clearly and repeatedly blackballed. Surely Parsons (god help us) is more in the frame?
I'd have Pleasants-Tate before Elliot....
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Full Kit piston wristed gibbon! Spotted: Some fat, pasty, old pom walking around Cairns in full Lions kit, including the cap. Looked like a complete cock.
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Only a week and a half out from the Lions squad announcement, but because we all know Gatland will get it wrong and pick too many Welsh, here's what I would do.
Squad of 38, two XVs plus one full bench. That gives 6 props, 3 hookers, 5 locks, 7 looses, 3 scrumhalves, 3 fly halves, 4 centres, 6 back three and 1 utility back.
My feeling is that the Lions need to walk a difficult tightrope. I think they need to select players who will be able to cope with the pace and skill of the game in New Zealand, but not try to play them at their own game in terms of jackling at the breakdown and unstructured back play. Based on the Ireland and France games in the Autumn, I think the All Blacks might be more susceptible to large quantities of dynamic forward carriers and a backrow that blasts past the ball at the ruck.
Props: Vunipola, McGrath, Healy, Furlong, Nel, Sinkler
Hookers: Best (c), George, Owens
Locks: Kruis, Itoje, Launchbury, Wyn-Jones, R. Gray
Backrow: Stander, O'Mahoney, Robshaw, O'Brien, Haskell, Vunipola, FaletauScrumhalves: Murray, Webb, Youngs
Flyhalves: Sexton, Ford, Russell
Centres: Farrell, Henshaw, Joseph, Ringrose
Wings: North, Visser, Watson, Williams
Fullbacks: Hogg, Carbery
Utility: Daly -
Only a week and a half out from the Lions squad announcement, but because we all know Gatland will get it wrong and pick too many Welsh, here's what I would do.
Squad of 38, two XVs plus one full bench. That gives 6 props, 3 hookers, 5 locks, 7 looses, 3 scrumhalves, 3 fly halves, 4 centres, 6 back three and 1 utility back.
My feeling is that the Lions need to walk a difficult tightrope. I think they need to select players who will be able to cope with the pace and skill of the game in New Zealand, but not try to play them at their own game in terms of jackling at the breakdown and unstructured back play. Based on the Ireland and France games in the Autumn, I think the All Blacks might be more susceptible to large quantities of dynamic forward carriers and a backrow that blasts past the ball at the ruck.
Props: Vunipola, McGrath, Healy, Furlong, Nel, Sinkler
Hookers: Best (c), George, Owens
Locks: Kruis, Itoje, Launchbury, Wyn-Jones, R. Gray
Backrow: Stander, O'Mahoney, Robshaw, O'Brien, Haskell, Vunipola, FaletauScrumhalves: Murray, Webb, Youngs
Flyhalves: Sexton, Ford, Russell
Centres: Farrell, Henshaw, Joseph, Ringrose
Wings: North, Visser, Watson, Williams
Fullbacks: Hogg, Carbery
Utility: Daly@SimonAdd_2 Surely Warburton goes? Or is he injured again? I don't see either Haskell or Robshaw as no.7s so would be happy if a player like Tipiric misses out.
Are you picking Carbery as your bolter? I have heard Maitland mentioned again as he is playing well for Saracens.
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@SimonAdd_2 Surely Warburton goes? Or is he injured again? I don't see either Haskell or Robshaw as no.7s so would be happy if a player like Tipiric misses out.
Are you picking Carbery as your bolter? I have heard Maitland mentioned again as he is playing well for Saracens.
@Bovidae I don't see much point picking guys like Warburton and Tipuric, who are the best in the NH at the traditional openside role but we already know are nowhere near their SH counterparts. I'd prefer to do what Eddie Jones has done with England and pick ruck-clearers like O'Brien and Haskell at openside and just smash the breakdown. Robshaw and O'Mahoney give a different look on the blindside. It's not what I expect Gatland to do, but this is my team dammit.
Similar deal at fullback. Halfpenny, Brown and Kearney are all well past their best as attacking threats and unlike if we were playing South Africa or even Australia, I don't think the All Blacks will use the high ball as a major weapon. So Carbery makes it in as a bolter, and Williams, Watson and Daly can all cover 15 too.
I don't think Maitland is close I'm afraid. Loads of wings who offer more, and even for Scotland I'd have Visser and Seymour above him.
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@Bovidae I don't see much point picking guys like Warburton and Tipuric, who are the best in the NH at the traditional openside role but we already know are nowhere near their SH counterparts. I'd prefer to do what Eddie Jones has done with England and pick ruck-clearers like O'Brien and Haskell at openside and just smash the breakdown. Robshaw and O'Mahoney give a different look on the blindside. It's not what I expect Gatland to do, but this is my team dammit.
Similar deal at fullback. Halfpenny, Brown and Kearney are all well past their best as attacking threats and unlike if we were playing South Africa or even Australia, I don't think the All Blacks will use the high ball as a major weapon. So Carbery makes it in as a bolter, and Williams, Watson and Daly can all cover 15 too.
I don't think Maitland is close I'm afraid. Loads of wings who offer more, and even for Scotland I'd have Visser and Seymour above him.
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bovidae I don't see much point picking guys like Warburton and Tipuric, who are the best in the NH at the traditional openside role but we already know are nowhere near their SH counterparts. I'd prefer to do what Eddie Jones has done with England and pick ruck-clearers like O'Brien and Haskell at openside and just smash the breakdown. Robshaw and O'Mahoney give a different look on the blindside. It's not what I expect Gatland to do, but this is my team dammit.
Similar deal at fullback. Halfpenny, Brown and Kearney are all well past their best as attacking threats and unlike if we were playing South Africa or even Australia, I don't think the All Blacks will use the high ball as a major weapon. So Carbery makes it in as a bolter, and Williams, Watson and Daly can all cover 15 too.
I don't think Maitland is close I'm afraid. Loads of wings who offer more, and even for Scotland I'd have Visser and Seymour above him.
I get your reasoning Simon, but Warburton is going to travel and likely captain too, I think.
They've been talking about a squad of 37 up to now, but I don't see why Gatland doesn't add in a couple because there are going to be injuries before the first test.
I like your squad nonetheless and Carbery is a definite bolter candidate and at 21 would get the stuffed lion carrying duties.Rather than try pick the test team, I look at a squad to see what the good midweek side would be and who would be captain. The captain needs to be a warhorse, been there, done that and no expectation of making the test side. Who would you pick?
