B&I Lions 2017
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@mariner4life said in B&I Lions 2017:
@antipodean yea that's all true, but that seems like the hard way to go about it. Gatland must be hoping his plan will work better with a few better players to implement it, and a talented bench to live with us in the last 20.
Yeah, the problem for Wales over the last decade has been not enough English and Irish players...
Farrell's defensive pattern looks a bit shit to be honest.
That's because it's much easier to come up with a defensive system that permits you to have basically everyone standing in a line.
@antipodean aye?
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Speaking of rankings, I presume as the B&I Lions do not have a ranking, and are not a country, then the AB's will not lose or gain any ranking points for any wins or losses in the series?
@Number-10 said in B&I Lions 2017:
Speaking of rankings, I presume as the B&I Lions do not have a ranking, and are not a country, then the AB's will not lose or gain any ranking points for any wins or losses in the series?
I'm pretty sure you're right.
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Planet Rugby's Lions 2017: Left at home XV
The reasons for their selections are in the article:
15 Mike Brown (Harlequins/England)
14 Simon Zebo (Munster/Ireland)
13 Garry Ringrose (Leinster/Ireland)
12 Scott Williams (Scarlets/Wales)
11 Sean Maitland (Saracens/Scotland)
10 Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
9 Greig Laidlaw (Gloucester/Scotland)
8 Jamie Heaslip (Leinster/Ireland)
7 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh/Scotland)
6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins/England)
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps/England)
3 Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton/England)
1 Cian Healy (Leinster/Ireland) -
Planet Rugby's Lions 2017: Left at home XV
The reasons for their selections are in the article:
15 Mike Brown (Harlequins/England)
14 Simon Zebo (Munster/Ireland)
13 Garry Ringrose (Leinster/Ireland)
12 Scott Williams (Scarlets/Wales)
11 Sean Maitland (Saracens/Scotland)
10 Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
9 Greig Laidlaw (Gloucester/Scotland)
8 Jamie Heaslip (Leinster/Ireland)
7 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh/Scotland)
6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins/England)
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps/England)
3 Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton/England)
1 Cian Healy (Leinster/Ireland)@Stargazer tbh I'd only consider three of them to be hard done by. In order; Gray (who was a defensive rock for Scotland), Hartley (who starts and captains his country as well as being the best hooker in England/ Wales/ Scotland/ Ireland) and Laidlaw.
I think someone else mentioned it, but Launchbury isn't as good as his England locks, certainly not better than Kruis.
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A well-known leader reacts to Gatland's selection
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Ok I think its a strong squad but it seems to me that I'm hearing the same old stuff that was said prior to 2005 from the Lions/UK media. No stone unturned, this is the strongest and biggest squad, power game, the strength and depth is fantastic and training is going to be so competitive to get in the test side that its just going to be brutal. I see no real creative spark in this squad or the coaching team
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I wouldn't mind if someone could give me a logical answer as to why one country ranked 5th provides just two players and another ranked 8th provides twelve.
Now i know how Highlanders fans felt in 2015 when none of their forwards became ABs
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
I wouldn't mind if someone could give me a logical answer as to why one country ranked 5th provides just two players and another ranked 8th provides twelve.
Now i know how Highlanders fans felt in 2015 when none of their forwards became ABs
Scotland may well have beaten Wales, but they were destroyed by England who were then dispatched the following match by Ireland.
When it came to the crunch, Scotland folded like a deckchair.
Not what's needed on a NZ tour -
How competitive are the wam-up games likely to be? Will the sides go all out to win, or will coaches and players save themselves for Super Rugby?
I assume the All Blacks squad will be missing from the wam-up games, with the possible exception of the Maori?
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You could probably make a case for Laidlaw as 3rd SH and a possible midweek captain, but he does not present a running threat, unlike the three guys chosen.
@Disgusted-of-TW said in B&I Lions 2017:
You could probably make a case for Laidlaw as 3rd SH and a possible midweek captain, but he does not present a running threat, unlike the three guys chosen.
If fit, I would have taken him. Goalkicking too.
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How competitive are the wam-up games likely to be? Will the sides go all out to win, or will coaches and players save themselves for Super Rugby?
I assume the All Blacks squad will be missing from the wam-up games, with the possible exception of the Maori?
@SimonAdd_2 the first two super rugby opposition, the Blues and Crusaders, will be full strength including All Blacks.
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Planet Rugby's Lions 2017: Left at home XV
The reasons for their selections are in the article:
15 Mike Brown (Harlequins/England)
14 Simon Zebo (Munster/Ireland)
13 Garry Ringrose (Leinster/Ireland)
12 Scott Williams (Scarlets/Wales)
11 Sean Maitland (Saracens/Scotland)
10 Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
9 Greig Laidlaw (Gloucester/Scotland)
8 Jamie Heaslip (Leinster/Ireland)
7 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh/Scotland)
6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins/England)
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps/England)
3 Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton/England)
1 Cian Healy (Leinster/Ireland)@Stargazer said in B&I Lions 2017:
Planet Rugby's Lions 2017: Left at home XV
The reasons for their selections are in the article:
15 Mike Brown (Harlequins/England)
14 Simon Zebo (Munster/Ireland)
13 Garry Ringrose (Leinster/Ireland)
12 Scott Williams (Scarlets/Wales)
11 Sean Maitland (Saracens/Scotland)
10 Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
9 Greig Laidlaw (Gloucester/Scotland)
8 Jamie Heaslip (Leinster/Ireland)
7 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh/Scotland)
6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins/England)
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps/England)
3 Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors/Scotland)
2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton/England)
1 Cian Healy (Leinster/Ireland)Would get pumped by the mid-week team.
Let alone the Test team.
Let alone the ABs
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@SimonAdd_2 the first two super rugby opposition, the Blues and Crusaders, will be full strength including All Blacks.
@KiwiMurph said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 the first two super rugby opposition, the Blues and Crusaders, will be full strength including All Blacks.
Seriously? Very tasty. Assume one of them is a midweek game too? Potential upset right off the bat.
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Goddam I hope we smash the Lions, mainly just to see Gatland crack the biggest shits about this thing and that. That pumped up little giblet.
Who do people see as their ideal test XV in the side ?
From where I sit, for the BIL to have any chance, they'll need:- their best XV to make it to the first test in one piece
- that the best XV in Gatlands head, actually are the best XV, and are allowed to settle and develop combinations. I can't see any room for subterfuge in selections
How in the hell both the BIL and AB's make it to the first test with all their starters is beyond me. I'm sure we'll lose a couple of starters from the Blues or Crusaders - I'd be really dubious about Kieran Read playing that game...
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What would be interesting would be a Lions selection to play a non Gatland style.
Trade some of the size for skills. A team that would take on the ABs at their own game.
Quite a few players would remain and fit in OK but a few others could come into contention like Dunbar and Ringrose, Brown and VdF
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@KiwiMurph said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 the first two super rugby opposition, the Blues and Crusaders, will be full strength including All Blacks.
Seriously? Very tasty. Assume one of them is a midweek game too? Potential upset right off the bat.
@SimonAdd_2 Yep Blues game 2 on the tour is a Wednesday. Crusaders game 3 on the tour is the Saturday (week before the Maori game). Though the Blues wont have a lot of turnaround time as they play the Reds in Samoa the Friday prior.
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Goddam I hope we smash the Lions, mainly just to see Gatland crack the biggest shits about this thing and that. That pumped up little giblet.
Who do people see as their ideal test XV in the side ?
From where I sit, for the BIL to have any chance, they'll need:- their best XV to make it to the first test in one piece
- that the best XV in Gatlands head, actually are the best XV, and are allowed to settle and develop combinations. I can't see any room for subterfuge in selections
How in the hell both the BIL and AB's make it to the first test with all their starters is beyond me. I'm sure we'll lose a couple of starters from the Blues or Crusaders - I'd be really dubious about Kieran Read playing that game...
@westcoastie said in B&I Lions 2017:
Goddam I hope we smash the Lions, mainly just to see Gatland crack the biggest shits about this thing and that. That pumped up little giblet.
Who do people see as their ideal test XV in the side ?
From where I sit, for the BIL to have any chance, they'll need:- their best XV to make it to the first test in one piece
- that the best XV in Gatlands head, actually are the best XV, and are allowed to settle and develop combinations. I can't see any room for subterfuge in selections
How in the hell both the BIL and AB's make it to the first test with all their starters is beyond me. I'm sure we'll lose a couple of starters from the Blues or Crusaders - I'd be really dubious about Kieran Read playing that game...
Hopefully we'll see Gatland et al working on aerobic fitness, dynamism and support play in the training leading up to the Tests.
We have the cattle.
