B&I Lions 2017
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@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 that was a classic. A 6"6" Bambi on steroids.
Fucken nasty cheapshot though to be fair. Surprised Dooley or one of the others didn't step in straight after.
@MN5 Ackford's legs were jelly. It looked like the back of his head hitting paddock did as much damage as the punch itself. Classic cheap shot, he never saw it coming.
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If you are Gats how early do you give the squad an idea about what the draft test 23 looks like?
It's seemed in past tours that they plant a flag in the sand fairly late - at least after landing on tour somewhere between the first dirttracker game (by virtue of elimination) and the first weekend hit out. I get the idea of giving everyone the hope of making the test team, but I'd be telling the players where they stand now.
Two reasons - let the media bleating and bullshit happen now and to give a squad that is starting it's structure from scratch at least a bit of a headstart.
I just can't imagine the difficulty of operating the first half of the campaign under the pretense of every position being up for grabs. If you don't have a pretty clear test 23 in mind now - allowing for seeing how it all fits together and making adjustments accordingly, then this tour is going to be very grim indeed.
The begging for 3 extra tourists and selection of many multi-position guys in the backs makes me think Gats is hedging his bets as late as possible.
@rotated said in B&I Lions 2017:
The begging for 3 extra tourists and selection of many multi-position guys in the backs makes me think Gats is hedging his bets as late as possible.
(Sorry for the late addition, I'm a BIL-fan who has only just joined.)
Recent tours have typically had 6-8 players called up to cover injuries.
Paraphrasing the old Lions '74 battle cry of Willie John McBride "Get your retaliation in first", Gatland is getting some of his injury-replacements in first - hence the extra 3-4 players and the many multi-position players (lock/6, centre/wing/FB).
Thus avoiding the need to explain the extensive repetoire of 'Warrenball' crash-ball variations to newcomers.I'd be very surprised if Gatland hasn't got 12 of his 1st Test line-up inked-in. His track-record over 20 years is not that of someone who makes a late change in plans. His 'extras' are to minimise disruption by injury, not to give him permutations to experiment with.
Although in 2005 Ryan Jones went from injury-callup to No 8 in all 3 Tests, it is a tall order for a late-arrival to get over jet-lag and catch up on the calls/moves (unless Welsh
) to be worth even considering for the bench for a mid-week game.The best that most late call-ups can hope for is some nice kit plus the belated satisfaction that in a small way offsets their April disappointment at the initial squad selection.
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@rotated said in B&I Lions 2017:
The begging for 3 extra tourists and selection of many multi-position guys in the backs makes me think Gats is hedging his bets as late as possible.
(Sorry for the late addition, I'm a BIL-fan who has only just joined.)
Recent tours have typically had 6-8 players called up to cover injuries.
Paraphrasing the old Lions '74 battle cry of Willie John McBride "Get your retaliation in first", Gatland is getting some of his injury-replacements in first - hence the extra 3-4 players and the many multi-position players (lock/6, centre/wing/FB).
Thus avoiding the need to explain the extensive repetoire of 'Warrenball' crash-ball variations to newcomers.I'd be very surprised if Gatland hasn't got 12 of his 1st Test line-up inked-in. His track-record over 20 years is not that of someone who makes a late change in plans. His 'extras' are to minimise disruption by injury, not to give him permutations to experiment with.
Although in 2005 Ryan Jones went from injury-callup to No 8 in all 3 Tests, it is a tall order for a late-arrival to get over jet-lag and catch up on the calls/moves (unless Welsh
) to be worth even considering for the bench for a mid-week game.The best that most late call-ups can hope for is some nice kit plus the belated satisfaction that in a small way offsets their April disappointment at the initial squad selection.
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@Megweya welcome to the fern , after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
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@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
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After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v Fr@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrExcept that jeggas breakfast actually happened...
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@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v Fr@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrYou're not creating a particularly good first impression of yourself.
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@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrExcept that jeggas breakfast actually happened...
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
Except that jeggas breakfast actually happened..
Ahh, now is that the traditional rugby-fanatics re-writing of history (I'm an Irish fan and I recall many heroic performances that were somehow reported as defeats)
or because you do not believe that I was 10 rows back from Dominici when he took that bouncing ball and about the same distance away from that pass when Wayne Barnes got something in his eye? -
@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrExcept that jeggas breakfast actually happened...
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrExcept that jeggas breakfast actually happened...
Jegga's breakfast falls into the category of 'Penthouse Letters'. Covers lots of fantasies and would be great to think it was real.
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@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrExcept that jeggas breakfast actually happened...
Jegga's breakfast falls into the category of 'Penthouse Letters'. Covers lots of fantasies and would be great to think it was real.
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrExcept that jeggas breakfast actually happened...
Jegga's breakfast falls into the category of 'Penthouse Letters'. Covers lots of fantasies and would be great to think it was real.
@Crucial GFYs.
@Megweya we have only played France four times (1987 , 2003, 2011,2015)in rwcs and won every game . No further correspondence will be entered into.
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@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrExcept that jeggas breakfast actually happened...
Jegga's breakfast falls into the category of 'Penthouse Letters'. Covers lots of fantasies and would be great to think it was real.
@Crucial GFYs.
@Megweya we have only played France four times (1987 , 2003, 2011,2015)in rwcs and won every game . No further correspondence will be entered into.
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrExcept that jeggas breakfast actually happened...
Jegga's breakfast falls into the category of 'Penthouse Letters'. Covers lots of fantasies and would be great to think it was real.
@Crucial GFYs.
@Megweya we have only played France four times (1987 , 2003, 2011,2015)in rwcs and won every game . No further correspondence will be entered into.
You fucking lunatic. There was no RWC in 2003!
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@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrYou're not creating a particularly good first impression of yourself.
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrYou're not creating a particularly good first impression of yourself.
Welcome Megweya - good to see another Irish fan on the Fern - by way of Eritrea!
Psst - I wouldn't mention the you know what.
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@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrYou're not creating a particularly good first impression of yourself.
Welcome Megweya - good to see another Irish fan on the Fern - by way of Eritrea!
Psst - I wouldn't mention the you know what.
@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrYou're not creating a particularly good first impression of yourself.
Welcome Megweya - good to see another Irish fan on the Fern - by way of Eritrea!
Psst - I wouldn't mention the you know what.
He did a good job of disguising himself early on and then completely blew it by admitting his support of Ireland. But TBF, he led with 99 and 07 so it wasn't like he/she/ze was trying to hide anything I guess.
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@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Megweya said in B&I Lions 2017:
@jegga said in B&I Lions 2017:
after you get settled in ask me about the time I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien Mackenzie, Joe Moody and Liam Squire.
Thanks
After you tell me, I'll tell you about being at the 99 & 07 RWC QFs NZ v FrYou're not creating a particularly good first impression of yourself.
Welcome Megweya - good to see another Irish fan on the Fern - by way of Eritrea!
Psst - I wouldn't mention the you know what.
He did a good job of disguising himself early on and then completely blew it by admitting his support of Ireland. But TBF, he led with 99 and 07 so it wasn't like he/she/ze was trying to hide anything I guess.
@Nepia said in B&I Lions 2017:
did a good job of disguising himself early on and then completely blew it by admitting his support of Ireland.
Ah, the disguise of waiting for the second line before citing in my second line the
"battle cry of Willie John McBride"As subtle as a Jamie Roberts forward-step ...
(he has not yet learnt the side-step)
To me, the WJ quote suggests I'm either a Lions historian or biased.
For the avoidance of doubt - like all rugby fans, I'm biased - but I try to be impartial before or after being biased.
Sometimes it makes a difference, sometimes it doesn't.Cheers
MegweyaPS
WJMcB 1.92m 102 kg
JamieR 1.93m 110 kgPound for pound (kilo for kilo) I know who was the better Lion.
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Ben Youngs has withdrawn from the tour for family reasons. His brother Tom's wife has been diagnosed with terminal illness. Awful news, and the right decision from Ben. Puts the rugby into perspective.
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Ben Youngs has withdrawn from the tour for family reasons. His brother Tom's wife has been diagnosed with terminal illness. Awful news, and the right decision from Ben. Puts the rugby into perspective.
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
Ben Youngs has withdrawn from the tour for family reasons. His brother Tom's wife has been diagnosed with terminal illness. Awful news, and the right decision from Ben. Puts the rugby into perspective.
Yep. Laidlaw steps up. Good choice. I think he will make a good tourist.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
Ben Youngs has withdrawn from the tour for family reasons. His brother Tom's wife has been diagnosed with terminal illness. Awful news, and the right decision from Ben. Puts the rugby into perspective.
Yep. Laidlaw steps up. Good choice. I think he will make a good tourist.
@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
Ben Youngs has withdrawn from the tour for family reasons. His brother Tom's wife has been diagnosed with terminal illness. Awful news, and the right decision from Ben. Puts the rugby into perspective.
Yep. Laidlaw steps up. Good choice. I think he will make a good tourist.
The obvious decision I think, and solves the midweek captain problem at the same time.
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@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
Ben Youngs has withdrawn from the tour for family reasons. His brother Tom's wife has been diagnosed with terminal illness. Awful news, and the right decision from Ben. Puts the rugby into perspective.
Yep. Laidlaw steps up. Good choice. I think he will make a good tourist.
The obvious decision I think, and solves the midweek captain problem at the same time.
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
Ben Youngs has withdrawn from the tour for family reasons. His brother Tom's wife has been diagnosed with terminal illness. Awful news, and the right decision from Ben. Puts the rugby into perspective.
Yep. Laidlaw steps up. Good choice. I think he will make a good tourist.
The obvious decision I think, and solves the midweek captain problem at the same time.
Yep. Bloody good leader and player for Scotland.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
Ben Youngs has withdrawn from the tour for family reasons. His brother Tom's wife has been diagnosed with terminal illness. Awful news, and the right decision from Ben. Puts the rugby into perspective.
Yep. Laidlaw steps up. Good choice. I think he will make a good tourist.
The obvious decision I think, and solves the midweek captain problem at the same time.
Yep. Bloody good leader and player for Scotland.
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
Ben Youngs has withdrawn from the tour for family reasons. His brother Tom's wife has been diagnosed with terminal illness. Awful news, and the right decision from Ben. Puts the rugby into perspective.
Yep. Laidlaw steps up. Good choice. I think he will make a good tourist.
The obvious decision I think, and solves the midweek captain problem at the same time.
Yep. Bloody good leader and player for Scotland.
What are the chances of him following in the footsteps of his famous uncle, Roy Laidlaw, another Scottish scrum-half who captained his country, and then was picked for the Lions after injuries to a couple of players and ended up playing all four tests in the 1983 tour. Scotland won a grand slam the following year too with Laidlaw at the helm of memory serves. Always enjoyed watching his sniping breaks and young Greig takes after him.
No pressure then, Greig.
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@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
Ben Youngs has withdrawn from the tour for family reasons. His brother Tom's wife has been diagnosed with terminal illness. Awful news, and the right decision from Ben. Puts the rugby into perspective.
Yep. Laidlaw steps up. Good choice. I think he will make a good tourist.
The obvious decision I think, and solves the midweek captain problem at the same time.
Yep. Bloody good leader and player for Scotland.
What are the chances of him following in the footsteps of his famous uncle, Roy Laidlaw, another Scottish scrum-half who captained his country, and then was picked for the Lions after injuries to a couple of players and ended up playing all four tests in the 1983 tour. Scotland won a grand slam the following year too with Laidlaw at the helm of memory serves. Always enjoyed watching his sniping breaks and young Greig takes after him.
No pressure then, Greig.
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@Pot-Hale I follow a Scottish rugby chat group on FB. They reckon a grand slam is in the bag. Given they have more false dawns than the Black Caps I might not hold my breath on this occuring.
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Pot-Hale I follow a Scottish rugby chat group on FB. They reckon a grand slam is in the bag. Given they have more false dawns than the Black Caps I might not hold my breath on this occuring.
Despite some Scottish ancestry on one side of the family, I won't be pulling the tartan out just yet in anticipation of a public display of adulation next Spring.
