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    RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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    Did the All Blacks do some things wrong? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that we can't legitimately say the 50/50s didn't go our way. I'm not sure the Boks were necessarily that much better, but the day belonged to them, and they got the rub of the green. There's no conspiracy to it, it was just how things fell.

    On another day Kolisi gets a red, Frizell doesn't even get penalised, we get a free kick at the end etc. That's rugby at the top level, it just so happened that there were many incidents in that game, which was an abomination. It wasn't a good game, it was a close game which made it tense. The two big quarter-finals are what the game should strive for... could be wrong, but I don't know if there was a singly 10+ phase movement in that game.


  • RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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    Can I just point out, people criticising McLeod, but look at the amount of breakdown turnovers we won. That was a result of excellent structure.


  • All Blacks 2023
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    @voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Tim said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Stargazer At least he's available for the QF.

    Is that a good thing? So far in about 60mins of playing time he's contributed something like 5 knock-ons, 27 missed tackles, 43 scrum penalties and a red card.

    Oh and a try

    The way people are turning on de Groot to me is bizarre. The All Blacks are noticeably better when he and Lomax are on the field. Didn't have his best game vs France obviously, but it got way overblown. Wasn't where we lost the game.

    Was his tackle vs Namibia on the poor side? Of course it was. But it also isn't the thuggery shoulder charge some people are trying to make it out to be. He is far better than Ofa, and we should 100% rush him straight back in come the quarters.


  • Exodus
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    @Canes4life said in Exodus:

    @African-Monkey he's just another Brett Cameron, steady without being spectacular. Not a big loss tbh, especially considering Beaudy is coming back to cover 10.

    We'll see. Thought Burke looked to be coming into his own for Canterbury. Whilst this might not necessarily be a great loss to the All Blacks, this is the exact sort of player the Silverlake Deal should be keeping playing Super Rugby.


  • Super Rugby 2024
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    In all probability, six wins is going to be the mark to be assured of the finals. By that measure, the Canes, Blues, Brumbies and Chiefs are all already home and hosed.

    • The Rebels currently sit on five wins, but have one of, if not the toughest run home. Blues and Chiefs at home, and Reds, Brumbies and Drua away. Feasible they could still miss out.

    • Reds are currently on four wins, but have played much better rugby than that, with the Force, Waratahs and Rebels still to play, they should get at least six wins (Drua and Crusaders away the other two fixtures)

    • Drua are also on four wins, but are far more interesting due to their inability to win away from home. For that reason, to get to six wins, they'd need to beat both the Reds and Rebels at home to get to six... admittedly quite doable, but certainly little margin for error if they can't win away (Brumbies, Force and Highlanders)

    • Despite being straight-up rubbish of late, the Highlanders hold eighth with three wins to their name. Assuming they beat the Drua at home, they need to win 2/4 of their remaining fixtures (Moana, Blues and Canes away, Crusaders at home) so in other words, they need to beat Moana and the Crusaders to get to six wins.

    • Moana are also on three wins. With games against the Chiefs and Canes likely losses, that leaves them needing to beat the Highlanders (in Tonga) and Waratahs at home, and the Crusaders away. Certainly not impossible, although unlikely.

    • Crusaders are on two wins, so need to win four out of: Reds, Blues and Moana (Home) and Brumbies and Highlanders (Away). Not inconceivable, but to beat the Blues and Brumbies is an uphill battle in the context.

    • Waratahs are on two wins, both against the Crusaders, but crucially have a decent run home. They're away to the Hurricanes this week, but then finish off with Brumbies (H), Force (A), Moana (A), Reds (H). If they can take the Brumbies at home, they might just get enough momentum to win all four of those.

    • Force are on two wins, with their only saving grace being that they have 3/5 of their remaining games in Perth. They should lose to the Chiefs this week, however they'll back themselves against the Drua and Tahs (H). Would have them on four wins with Reds (A) and Brumbies (H) remaining.

    That being said, I think the Rebels don't win another game (5 Wins), Reds win three (7 Wins), Drua get one win (5 Wins), Highlanders get two wins (5 Wins), Moana don't win another game (3 Wins), Crusaders get three wins (5 Wins), Waratahs get 3 wins (5 Wins), Force get 2 wins (4 Wins)... this is if I have done my maths right.

    Would leave the Reds a clear 5th, and with five teams from 6-10th all on five wins, sending it to BPs, which probably sees the Rebels 6th, Crusaders 7th and Highlanders 8th.

    Highlanders next two games though are massive in the context of the whole playoff race. If they win both, Moana and the Crusaders almost certainly out of it. If they lose both, they're out of it, and the final round-robin match between Moana and the Crusaders could be like a Round of 16 game (even though it is a 12-team comp lol)


  • All Blacks 2024
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    @sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @MajorRage Ardie overlooked for the captaincy, albeit for a very good candidate in Scott Barrett

    Akira Ioane, nowhere to be seen, although he's signed to go to Japan.

    Hoskins Sotutu not included, but given some encouraging comments by the Head Coach.

    We might not like it, but questions will be asked if there's a pattern here?

    The irony here. Sotutu misses out to Sititi. Ioane misses out to Finau.

    The Barrett as captain has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with being a trusted ally.


  • RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina
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    @BerniesCorner said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

    Play Roigard. He was awesome against SA. Give him time against Argentina

    I don't know if this is satire, but I'm going to lose my mind if people spend all week moaning about Roigard.

    For right or for wrong they think Christie is their second best, and World Cup SFs aren't about giving people time. Smith will probably play 70 minutes minimum, unless we are up by like 20 with 20 to play, but I can't see that.

    If it is one score, wouldn't be stunned to see Smith go the 80 again.


  • Highlanders 2025
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    Can only think he was promised a special bench would be built for Michael Manson.


  • 2025 All Blacks v France series
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    I think this is probably worthy of its own thread, but feel free to merge if not - purely on the squad v France to see how close to 35/35 anyone can get - this is what I am predicting. I'd imagine the squad is now locked in barring injuries - one game shouldn't really change anything.

    PROPS:
    Tamaiti Williams (Crusaders)
    Ethan de Groot (Highlanders)
    George Bower (Crusaders)
    Tyrel Lomax (Hurricanes)
    Fletcher Newell (Crusaders)
    Pasilio Tosi (Hurricanes)

    HOOKERS:
    Codie Taylor (Crusaders)
    Samisoni Taukei'aho (Chiefs)
    George Bell (Crusaders)

    LOCKS:
    Scott Barrett (c) (Crusaders)
    Tupou Vaa'i (Chiefs)
    Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues)
    Fabian Holland (Highlanders)

    LOOSE FORWARDS:
    Ethan Blackadder (Crusaders)
    Samipeni Finau (Chiefs)
    Ardie Savea (Moana Pasifika)
    Peter Lakai (Hurricanes)
    Dalton Papalii (Blues)
    Wallace Sititi (Chiefs)
    Christian Lio-Willie (Crusaders)

    HALFBACKS:
    Cameron Roigard (Hurricanes)
    Cortez Ratima (Chiefs)
    Noah Hotham (Crusaders)

    FIRST FIVES:
    Damian McKenzie (Chiefs)
    Beauden Barrett (Blues)

    MIDFIELDERS:
    Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
    Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs)
    Rieko Ioane (Blues)
    Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
    David Havili (Crusaders)

    OUTSIDE BACKS:
    Caleb Clarke (Blues)
    Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens (Highlanders)
    Sevu Reece (Crusaders)
    Will Jordan (Crusaders)
    Ruben Love (Hurricanes)

    Unavailable due to injury: Asafo Aumua (Hurricanes), Simon Parker (Chiefs), Anton Lienert-Brown (Chiefs), Caleb Tangitau (Highlanders)


  • All Blacks vs England 2
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    @Machpants I think 3 is a little low. Taylor was one of, if not the best All Black on defence. Lineout was a shambles, but not solely to blame. Did give away that dumb penalty, but he carried well, so a real mixed game.


  • All Blacks EOYT
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    TSF now stands for The Sotutu Forum


  • All Blacks v France
  • F frugby

    Big issue was taking the three at 30-26... was asking a lot to get back down the other end, a confident All Black side puts that in the corner and goes for the kill.


  • All Blacks 2025
  • F frugby

    The midfield is shaping as the most fascinating battle for the All Blacks squad this year. There are loads of players in the frame, but few who should/are actually shoe-ins to make the squad.

    The Incumbents
    Jordie Barrett - The incumbent second five is currently playing at Leinster, so won't be able to be compared to those playing Super Rugby. Has the best long-range kicking game, and is a certainty to hold his spot in the squad.

    Rieko Ioane - The incumbent centre has split opinions for the ABs, and a lacklustre start to the Super Rugby season won't be helping his case. You wonder whether a rumoured sabbatical would have been a good option for him too. On current form, could he struggle to make the squad?

    Anton Lienert-Brown - Another who split opinions, the incumbent bench option had some decent showings last year, but hardly enough to nail his spot. Looks good in a good Chiefs backline, but has equally been outshone by others. Should be under-pressure.

    David Havili - Give me strength. Should be nowhere near it - Next.

    Billy Proctor - Impressed in limited chances for the ABs last year. Has a big chance to show his quality if he returns to a struggling Canes side. Due back in the next couple of weeks if the positive reports are to be believed, though conflicting reports suggest it could be much longer, which would derail an ABs push.

    The NZ EOYT Boys

    Quinn Tupaea - Just three rounds in, but he has started the year like a house on fire, and looks back to his best - if not even better than his previous level. On current form, he walks back into the ABs squad, and has serious claims to start.

    Riley Higgins - Due back in a few weeks, and will have ground to make up. Was tipped to be the big mover this year, but his own injuries and his team's struggling form may mean he has to wait for the time being, but with a good run over the second half of the season, it could be the case of performing at the right time.

    AJ Lam - Has been ineffectual for the Blues through the first three rounds. A good player, but probably one who has looked slightly better than he is because of the quality around him. Unless he can prove otherwise, his All Blacks chances seem slim.

    Dallas McLeod - Benched for the first two for the Crusaders, but likely to start this week. With a big season, the current coaching group will have him in mind. Certainly showed he has the attributes for Canterbury, and was picked by the last coaching group for good reason. One to watch.

    The Chasing Pack
    Timoci Tavatavanawai - Easily the biggest mover over the first three rounds, after making what seems to be a full-time switch to the midfield. A tougher outing versus Moana Pasifika, but still beat several defenders and won three turnovers. May not be the man to start at 12, but he looks a very enticing bench option.

    Brayden Ennor - Don't forget about Ennor. If he can put a run of games together, he might be the smartest centre in the country, or at the very least one of the better distributors. Seems to be the wrong age profile though, and can't stay fit.

    Peter Umaga-Jensen - Seems a longshot, but was capped by the All Blacks for a reason. Midfield injuries are presenting him a chance to have a genuine run of games. A return to black does look highly unlikely that said.

    The Could be Worth a Look if Bizarre things Occur
    Tanielu Tele'a - Looking good in an improved Highlanders team. Nowhere near All Black quality as things stand, but might be in the frame for the NZ XV

    Corey Evans/Xavi Taele/Zarn Sullivan - Would suggest any of these guys are All Blacks this year, but the way things going, someone else is going to get a chance in the Blues midfield at some point, and if they spark a turnaround in form, they will always be in the international conversation.


  • All Blacks v France I
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    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France I:

    Holland's received a lot of praise but I was a little bit underwhelmed.

    He didn't really put a foot wrong but he also didn't do anything to suggest he's a better option that Lord or Tuipulotu at this stage. I'm absolutely not saying he shouldn't be in there, I'm as keen to see him given a go as anyone else and I'd love for him to be the new Brodie Retallick, but I've not yet (yet is key, obviously) seen anything from Holland to suggest he's anything more than a safe pair of hands in the second row.

    Again, very happy to get him getting some minutes and would certainly keep giving him time in the saddle, but it's a bit unfair that we expect the loose forward to all be dynamic carriers of the ball or threats at the breakdown when the bar for Holland seems so low?

    He dominated the lineout in a way Tuipulotu couldn’t, and Lord hasn’t. He works hard and makes a ton of tackles (more than both those two).

    What are you looking for from him? Locks don’t tend to make line breaks…


  • All Blacks 2025
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    We have absolutely no idea how Razor will pick his squad, people are losing their mind over hypotheticals… there is no way to know how he picks his team this year.

    What we do know about Razor, is he has had success at every level, which would suggest it is no fluke. He is clearly a smart cookie when it comes to rugby, and I’d trust him to get the best out of the current pool of players, which simply has some gaping holes.

    I get the vibe there is a whole crew of Aucklanders who are willing him on to fail, which I find really weird.

    I’d be willing to bet good money Chay Fihaki doesn’t crack the first All Blacks squad.


  • Fern Outage
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    Pleased everything is back up and running… I thought New Zealand Rugby had had the page taken down for the leaked lineups!


  • RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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    Papalii is one thing, but if the selectors think Vaa'i is better at 6 than Jacobson, then I really don't see why they selected him in the squad.


  • All Blacks 2023
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    BB is playing the gameplan... Will Jordan's big weakness is kicking and people want to play him at fullback? I don't follow. The modern-day game is one in the air, by working good competitive kicks, and kicking well for territory.

    The hatred towards Barrett these days is a little bit bizarre. People are holding him up to unrealistic standards, watch that game without any knowledge of that New Zealand side, and I'm not really sure you'd come away with fullback as being the big issue.

    Lack of punch from the bench, and the majority of our starting forwards, and a poor game from Will Jordan rate is far bigger issues for mine.


  • All Blacks vs Argentina I
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    Disappointing team. Blackadder never the answer at 6, Ratima deserved to start, Clarke deserved to start at 11 too... had heard Jordan was starting, bench spot only makes sense on his return. Will be fun to see what he can do off the bench.


  • All Blacks 2024
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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    How many names have been mentioned now? 60?

    Props:
    de Groot
    Williams
    Newell
    Bower
    Lomax
    Numia
    Tosi
    Dyer
    Tu'ungafasi
    Ta'avao
    Renata
    (11)

    Hookers:
    Taylor
    McAllister
    Bell
    Aumua
    Taukei'aho
    Thompson
    Riccitelli
    (7)

    Locks:
    Dunshea
    S Barrett
    Hannah
    Strange
    Walker-Leawere
    Delaney
    Vaa'i
    Lord
    Tuipulotu
    Darry
    (10)

    Loose Forwards:
    Haig
    Harmon
    Lio-Willie
    Blackadder
    Grace
    Iose
    Savea
    Lakai
    Finau
    Jacobson
    Sititi
    Cane
    Sotutu
    A Ioane
    Papalii
    (15)

    (43 Forwards)

    Halfbacks:
    Fakatava
    Hotham
    Perenara
    Ratima
    Christie
    Funaki
    (6)

    First Fives:
    McKenzie
    B Barrett
    Perofeta
    Plummer
    (4)

    Midfielders:
    Havili
    McLeod
    J Barrett
    Procter
    Lienert-Brown
    Tupaea
    Rona
    Pohipi
    Lam
    R Ioane
    (10)

    Outside Backs:
    Nareki
    Tavatavanawai
    Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens
    Fihaki
    Reece
    Love
    Stevenson
    Nanai-Seturo
    Narawa
    Clarke
    Telea
    Z Sullivan
    (12)

    (32 Backs)

    So unless I have missed anyone, 75 different players have had a shout.

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