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    NH Club Rugby
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    @cgrant said in NH Club Rugby:

    This is the average salary, of course. I do not have the explanations for these differences. I also thought - like you did - that THP was one of the top salaries.

    This is where averages probably lose out to medians, quartiles, and ranges. If all teams are carrying a bunch of props, but two or three are on much higher wages and the others on the lowest, the average will look similar but the reality could be much different. The situation for locks could also be similarly skewed by fewer of them and a couple on very big contracts.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    This shit about walking to get beer is one of the problems.

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  • Highlanders 2026
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    @Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2026:

    @gt12 i think players should realise squads with depth win things....and players in squads that win things get looked at

    but i get it and i suspect maybe Jacomb isnt a long term option, will do his contract, at which point mika can step up

    @Bovidae said in Highlanders 2026:

    A sign of the times where all SR clubs will try to lock in young local talent ASAP.

    Southland schools produce more 1st 5s than Otago.

    hows that measured?

    The irony.


  • Highlanders 2026
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    Good on the Landers, but strange to see them now with two good young players. The timelines are not that similar (24 vs nearly 19) but it may be interesting to see whether Muliaina gets the game time he needs to develop, he may end up similar to Jacomb in not feeling that he gets the opportunity early enough.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:

    I like the suggestion of NZR select the head coach and then set about appointing the assistants with input from the head coach, rather than complete free choice.

    We need to spend some time and money defining exactly what the structure and requirements are of the assistant coaching setup with properly written job descriptions and metrics for measuring performance.

    This seems to be what Rassie Erasmus has done with SA. Their coaching setup is way more complex than ours but they have a well defined structure and everybody seems to know their role.

    We would have to review it every 5 years to make sure it is ahead of the game or at worst keeping up. I think this is a big part of our problems. We caught a break on the rest of the world when we appointed GH, Hansen and Smith and our coaching setup was better than the rest of the rugby world. Unfortunately this lead to complacency and the rest of the rugby world looked at what we did refined it and now have better coaching structures than us and we are trying to do the same thing we came up with at the turn of the century.

    We've had discussion about what kind of overseas' experience is needed, in this thread.

    Rassie is a great example, as he may not have had international experience, but his work in the NH is basically the backbone he has built the Springbok set-up around.

    History doesn't repeat but it does rhyme a bit, and what we are likely seeing is that in the early 2000s, we had the overseas experience of Henry etc that went on to set the standard.

    In the last 10 years - and this was really highlighted by Lam - the NH clubs have redefined professionalism in rugby, and that's where Rassie got his core experience first-hand at Munster.

    I think @Victor-Meldrew argument is getting reframed in a way that I don't interpret it, we don't have a system to keep and develop coaches, and our approach to coach selection seems very much from the 1980s (with in my opinion, some corporate enshittification layered on top to make it look legit).


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @reprobate said in All Blacks 2026:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:

    @Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:

    I agree, anyone who was death riding rugby (at Super and NPC level) this year just wasn't watching.

    I was really impressed by what I saw of NPC this year, seemed better to my ignorant eyes than the hoopla of Super. Messier, maybe, but far less diluted, and more exciting!

    Yeah I'm on board too, the actual footy has been great fun.

    Strangely enough, that could signify that the public may be aligned with us becoming Brazil-like, the NPC was fun but it was mainly about finding and enjoying the new talent coming out. It was certainly not close at all to premier domestic competitions in terms of level of defense and organization, which are essential as the step to international rugby.

    So, to take a side I don't actually agree with for arguments sake, if we have local competitions which are focused on getting players to the ABs, we could just turn into SA, pick from overseas, and use AB revenue to focus our local competitions on finding the next big thing. That is basically Lam's argument.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:

    @gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:

    @Nepia

    Agreed, I reckon a Giteau rule is the start of the end of NZ's domestic game being anything more than a development league for other comps. It's worth noting that would help Lam btw, but also his rationale was on this aspect was faulty all the way through, so I'd recommend listening to the interview in full.

    Edit:

    On live games, I'm not going given how much it costs - no only in terms of money, but also the 1 hour drive there and back again, plus traffic, and the shitty food, and shitty beer. I'm surprised people actually go.

    Being in Sydney, my live attendances comes down to whether the Chiefs/Blues/Highlanders get a game in Sydney. Maybe the Canes if my mates want to go to it but then I'm left cheering for the reffing team.

    SFS is a good stadium to watch games in, same with Commbank, but the combo of prices for AB tickets and especially the dog that is Homebush stadium has seen me choose not to go to test matches which would have been unthinkable in the past.

    I always try to get to a match in NZ when I'm on trips home, especially the Magpies.

    I should add that I don't think the issue is the quality of the product.

    Super rugby this year was great, and the teams were all pretty fun to watch - and the Landers will likely be the team to really watch moving forward.

    So, the issue is likely a combination of cost, population, transport etc etc. You can avoid all that by getting F&C and enjoying at home.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2026:

    @gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:

    @Nepia

    Agreed, I reckon a Giteau rule is the start of the end of NZ's domestic game being anything more than a development league for other comps. It's worth noting that would help Lam btw, but also his rationale was on this aspect was faulty all the way through, so I'd recommend listening to the interview in full.

    We'd become the equivalent of Brazillian football. Up and coming stars leaving early, with NPC level players becoming super rugby regulars mixed with washed up former ABs who can't get a decent contract overseas.

    I was going to cite the exact same idea, but we'd be Brazil without the local population, so even worse as our domestic comp would likely struggle to even stay afloat.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @Nepia

    Agreed, I reckon a Giteau rule is the start of the end of NZ's domestic game being anything more than a development league for other comps. It's worth noting that would help Lam btw, but also his rationale was on this aspect was faulty all the way through, so I'd recommend listening to the interview in full.

    Edit:

    On live games, I'm not going given how much it costs - no only in terms of money, but also the 1 hour drive there and back again, plus traffic, and the shitty food, and shitty beer. I'm surprised people actually go.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @Tim said in All Blacks 2026:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks-review-independent-oversight-and-key-changes-in-assessment-of-scott-robertson-and-his-men/premium/HZ6L3BKHTVEPPGK7HE3GTQ2NGE/

    If nothing else, the optics of having an outgoing chief executive who is a former Crusaders teammate of Robertson’s, an interim chief executive, Steve Lancaster, who is also a former Crusaders teammate and who was best man at the All Blacks coach’s wedding and Anthony as head of high-performance, don’t look great.
    They are not helped by the fact that the three remaining national assistants – Scott Hansen, Jason Ryan and Tamati Ellison are all also ex-Crusaders.

    That's not optics, that's a takeover.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2026:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:

    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2026:

    @chchfanatic (wherever he is now) can confirm for us that they hated Akira. He was at a bbq with them and Akira's name got bought up and they all laughed at him circa 2018.

    Laughed at Akira, circa 2018? Professional coaches did that?

    According to him, yes.

    Him being chchfanatic or Akira?
    The Cantab mafia have been a bit quiet lately. I really enjoyed ChCh sauce as he clearly knows much and was happy to share. It would be fascinating to hear what is being said there at the moment.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @giorgi1997

    Welcome aboard.

    It was interesting interview, and he brought up many interesting points, including that he hardly knew Robbie Deans when he was asked to coach with him on the AB ticket. His story on that really showed how stupid it has been to make coaches find a team - often independent from others - of what the whole team would look like. He's right that they should hire the head coach, who then gets to help select the right and best assistants.

    On many other points, I think he makes good points - falling interest from the public etc, but his solution (a Giteau rule to free up more money) was rightly questioned by Devlin - taking more stars out of the NZ game isn't going to get punters to the games.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:

    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2026:

    @Victor-Meldrew

    Also it's not just the top job (culture coach), I'm astounded that NZR got into a situation where the 3 selectors are all from the same franchise. In previous appointments there would be an effort to have a variety of backgrounds. It's unthinkable that Henry could've had two Blues selectors with him etc

    One of the reasons that cartel succeeded was that they challenged each other and Henry didn't win every argument

    Good point. And it's interesting that the 2 Assistants who have left were non-Cantabs, I'd still have Ryan there though, done a pretty good job/

    But arguably is the worst for provincial bias, going by the rumors about his thoughts on Sotutu and (unconfirmed) Akira.

    Edit: Seems confirmed, thanks @African-Monkey


  • All Blacks 2026
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    This might not be the right thread, as many of the points may be more related to Super rugby and alignment in the domestic game, but interesting interview with Pat Lam on Devlin. He talked about how much time he gets with their players (like 30 games) and how they know that unless a player is with their international side, they have them there with them - he contrasted that with NZ and the piecemeal approach that you get as a Super rugby coach. Quite damning when you look at our organization in comparison to what they are doing up North.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2026:

    Obviously it wasn't clear but I was referring to Mo'unga. 🤣

    Savea's team also lost a close game. Akira Ieremia got a red card for the winners.

    Had a customary missed touch from a penalty too.
    These games are so far away from top level, it is almost hard to watch.


  • NZR CEO Mark Robinson Resigns
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    @mohikamo said in NZR CEO Mark Robinson Resigns:

    @canefan said in NZR CEO Mark Robinson Resigns:

    The NBA is though

    You'd be comparing the NBA to WR.
    WR would have to be the most underperforming sport, in a commercial sense, on the planet!
    Plenty, plenty, of scope for commercial growth.
    NBA are kind of maxed out, in marketing terms.

    Although I see where you are coming from and agree he isn't the right person, the NBA is incredibly performance-focused, stats-driven, and has a great mix of teams that focus on culture as a part of performance (Spurs-style) which would be his key attribute for success in the role. If we are looking for people who understand the correspondence of those factors against marketing, I can't think of many who have a better background.

    The core issue for me is that WR doesn't operate in the best interests of the game and is even more political, so operating in that environment would be completely foreign to Marks. I can't see him translating his capability across at the most important part of the job.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2026:

    @mohikamo said in All Blacks 2026:

    @handa457 said in All Blacks 2026:

    can you elaborate on the Papalii turning down a Black Jersey story? First I'm hearing of it.

    The rumour is that Papalii was asked to train with the AB squad, while with the ABXV squad in England at the end of the year . . . and said no thanks, I'm staying with the ABXV squad.

    Also worth noting that this came from the most accurate rumour poster on TSF and then was backed up another very accurate poster

    Neither of whom have any reason to stir up shit, neither are partizans.


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @Tim said in All Blacks 2026:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/2025-nz-rugby-awards-ardie-saveas-player-of-the-year-prize-caps-a-dominant-year/5AMBW2XMKJFX7APJUPN7TAVXHI/

    LOL

    https://media.tenor.com/Wn3yyOlW4acAAAAM/this-burning.gif

    NZRU


  • All Blacks 2026
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    @antipodean said in All Blacks 2026:

    Surely alarm bells are ringing at NZR.

    Perhaps they're being drowned out by the claxons!

    They've already sent out Lendrum to try to beat it down, which doesn't look like panic at all....


  • NBA 25/26
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    @canefan

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    Fuuuuuck.

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