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ABs picking overseas players - inevitable?

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  • sparkyS sparky

    I wouldn't be totally against letting two or three overseas-based players play for the ABs in a World Cup year to boost the squad strength a little bit and cover injuries, but anything north of that is not necessary.

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    @sparky Wouldn't be an issue if they were to let in more money for Super Rugby possibly even fill teams up with a few marquee players from the Northenr Hemisphere.

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    • sparkyS sparky

      I wouldn't be totally against letting two or three overseas-based players play for the ABs in a World Cup year to boost the squad strength a little bit and cover injuries, but anything north of that is not necessary.

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      Kiwiwomble
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      @sparky said in All Blacks 2024:

      I wouldn't be totally against letting two or three overseas-based players play for the ABs in a World Cup year to boost the squad strength a little bit and cover injuries, but anything north of that is not necessary.

      im not convinced we need to go overseas just yet, we havent see what a squad picked purely on form can achieve, seems like we dont have the depth IMO because we've still mostly seen the same people getting picked....plus people like BB, Cane and Savea were constant starters this year and were playing in japan earlier in the year...maybe if we stuck to the best combinations from super rugby (9-10, 12-13, front row, 4-5)....we might see more cohesion

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      • S SBW1

        @sparky Wouldn't be an issue if they were to let in more money for Super Rugby possibly even fill teams up with a few marquee players from the Northenr Hemisphere.

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        @SBW1 That's ideally the way I would do it. Let a player ( let's say Aaron Smith as the third half back) come back to NZ for a one year contract. Play Super Rugby for a season and if you do well enough you'll be selected for the RWC.

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          Well said Beaver, even more of a legend

          https://www.planetrugby.com/news/this-springboks-argument-will-never-wash-with-me-ex-all-blacks-epic-rant-in-response-to-scott-robertsons-plea

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          • M Machpants

            Well said Beaver, even more of a legend

            https://www.planetrugby.com/news/this-springboks-argument-will-never-wash-with-me-ex-all-blacks-epic-rant-in-response-to-scott-robertsons-plea

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            @Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:

            Well said Beaver, even more of a legend

            https://www.planetrugby.com/news/this-springboks-argument-will-never-wash-with-me-ex-all-blacks-epic-rant-in-response-to-scott-robertsons-plea

            “Let’s not sugar-coat it, this is about getting Richie Mo’unga back – it’s one person,” Donald continued.

            Yep, and we all fucking know it. If he was DC it would make more sense, but he's not, not even close to being close despite his fluffers.

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              Beaver cementing his GOAT status

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                One fucking guy prepared to just say what they think. Build a show for the Beaver.

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                  Scott Robertson has turned out to be a fucking tool.

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                    its also so blatantly self fore filling.....razor bends or changes the rules to get RM back...at +30 years old...clearly with the intent of running him through until the RWC....so another generation of 10's tell themselves its at least another 2-3 years before i get a good shot...fuck it i have bills to pay...pick form the guys we have...pick on form...reward those playing well and playing in NZ

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                    • R reprobate

                      Scott Robertson has turned out to be a fucking tool.

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                      @reprobate

                      My impression is that he’s like a CEO that needs a specific XO to be effective (or at least, thinks they do).

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                      • M Machpants

                        Well said Beaver, even more of a legend

                        https://www.planetrugby.com/news/this-springboks-argument-will-never-wash-with-me-ex-all-blacks-epic-rant-in-response-to-scott-robertsons-plea

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                        @Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:

                        Well said Beaver, even more of a legend

                        https://www.planetrugby.com/news/this-springboks-argument-will-never-wash-with-me-ex-all-blacks-epic-rant-in-response-to-scott-robertsons-plea

                        A man who know how to perform on the big stage.

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                          Beaver was getting quite hot under the collar there.

                          …….and good on him too, what a welcome change from the circle jerk Razor fluffers we’ve become so accustomed to.

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                            Still can't over DMac not having the starting reins after a wonderful performance against Ireland.
                            Compare that to the starting first five performance vs England where I was pulling my hair out
                            I just don't get it
                            It's a major point

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                              This comment from Razor kind of pisses me off

                              “They’ve got a got a great balance. They’ve got youth coming through, they’ve got great benches, they finish over top of teams and they’ve got big squads – they can have two really quality XVs"

                              And how do you know we don't Scott?

                              I just did the tedious process of going through our lineups this year, and the stark reality is, the selectors played the same guys all game every game.

                              Williams, Taylor, Lomax, Vaai, SBarrett, Savea, BBarrett, DMac JBarrett, and Ioane, all basically started every game this year, and played huge minutes. Cane, Jordan, Clarke and Patty T played every game they were available. Once Sititi took his chance, he played non stop. ALB locked in one bench spot, and started any time JB didn't. EdG was the other one if he didn't be a bit naughty.
                              Those guys played nearly the whole season in terms of the minutes available. No one else got a reasonable shot at anything.

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                              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                This comment from Razor kind of pisses me off

                                “They’ve got a got a great balance. They’ve got youth coming through, they’ve got great benches, they finish over top of teams and they’ve got big squads – they can have two really quality XVs"

                                And how do you know we don't Scott?

                                I just did the tedious process of going through our lineups this year, and the stark reality is, the selectors played the same guys all game every game.

                                Williams, Taylor, Lomax, Vaai, SBarrett, Savea, BBarrett, DMac JBarrett, and Ioane, all basically started every game this year, and played huge minutes. Cane, Jordan, Clarke and Patty T played every game they were available. Once Sititi took his chance, he played non stop. ALB locked in one bench spot, and started any time JB didn't. EdG was the other one if he didn't be a bit naughty.
                                Those guys played nearly the whole season in terms of the minutes available. No one else got a reasonable shot at anything.

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                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                                This comment from Razor kind of pisses me off

                                “They’ve got a got a great balance. They’ve got youth coming through, they’ve got great benches, they finish over top of teams and they’ve got big squads – they can have two really quality XVs"

                                And how do you know we don't Scott?

                                I just did the tedious process of going through our lineups this year, and the stark reality is, the selectors played the same guys all game every game.

                                Williams, Taylor, Lomax, Vaai, SBarrett, Savea, BBarrett, DMac JBarrett, and Ioane, all basically started every game this year, and played huge minutes. Cane, Jordan, Clarke and Patty T played every game they were available. Once Sititi took his chance, he played non stop. ALB locked in one bench spot, and started any time JB didn't. EdG was the other one if he didn't be a bit naughty.
                                Those guys played nearly the whole season in terms of the minutes available. No one else got a reasonable shot at anything.

                                Most unlike Rassie

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                                  Excellent stuff from Beaver. Finally someone willing to push back

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                                  • M Machpants

                                    Well said Beaver, even more of a legend

                                    https://www.planetrugby.com/news/this-springboks-argument-will-never-wash-with-me-ex-all-blacks-epic-rant-in-response-to-scott-robertsons-plea

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                                    @Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:

                                    Well said Beaver, even more of a legend

                                    https://www.planetrugby.com/news/this-springboks-argument-will-never-wash-with-me-ex-all-blacks-epic-rant-in-response-to-scott-robertsons-plea

                                    100 % agree with Beaver and good on him for coming out and saying it.Stay in NZ or come back and play in NZ then you get picked.
                                    If you don't you have made your choice the AB jersey is cheapened so are our competitions and the NZ rugby public are shafted if it changes.

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                                      i havent felt a twang of patriotism like that in years. Absolutely beautiful from Beaver

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                                        The two games away in Argentina will be a challenge. We do appear to have a more settled squad than last year, not that many departing other than Sam Cane and TJP. Sounds like Razor is pushing hard for the rules to change, sounds like overtures have been made to Jack Goodhue who has signed on to an extra year. RM and SF were initially who he secked to change the rule for, it appears they are coming back at some stage. LF return will be important as well, he left at a young age.

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                                        • gt12G gt12

                                          One fucking guy prepared to just say what they think. Build a show for the Beaver.

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                                          @gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          One fucking guy prepared to just say what they think. Build a show for the Beaver.

                                          he isnt bad in the media Beaver ,

                                          ive heard him a bit on SENz and he mixes some pretty good analysis with humor quite well , although his sidekick kirsty can be a bit annoying

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