All Blacks 2025
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@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
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@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I think New Zealand need to end their fixation with the Barretts. On form this year Jordie was pretty rubbish both for the Canes and ABs, Barrett was mediocre and S Barrett was the same. We won't get back to our best until we start picking players on form, not past reputation which B Barrett has been dining out on for years now.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I think New Zealand need to end their fixation with the Barretts. On form this year Jordie was pretty rubbish both for the Canes and ABs, Barrett was mediocre and S Barrett was the same. We won't get back to our best until we start picking players on form, not past reputation which B Barrett has been dining out on for years now.
@Canes4life hopefully JB can rediscover something in Ireland, because I agree he's regressed over the last year or so. Or does Razor's pattern have something to do with it?
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Yeah when JB was looking good for Canes/ABs, it was when he was being used as a second five, not as a lock in the backline.
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I actually heard Razor is pushing for the ABs to be sponsored by Canterbury Drought and Canterbury Clothing, hence Steinlager pulling the pin because they are feeling they are not getting a decent opportunity to show what they can do. Adidas are getting the jitters because Ryan feels fat in their clothes and is more comfortable wearing CCC. And Hansen hates Rangers and loves motorbikes, so the ABs will be riding around on Britten's soon.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I actually heard Razor is pushing for the ABs to be sponsored by Canterbury Drought
Hopefully not
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I actually heard Razor is pushing for the ABs to be sponsored by Canterbury Drought
Hopefully not
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I actually heard Razor is pushing for the ABs to be sponsored by Canterbury Drought
Hopefully not
Wooooosh
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I actually heard Razor is pushing for the ABs to be sponsored by Canterbury Drought
Hopefully not
Wooooosh
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I actually heard Razor is pushing for the ABs to be sponsored by Canterbury Drought
Hopefully not
Wooooosh
Look at the spelling
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I actually heard Razor is pushing for the ABs to be sponsored by Canterbury Drought
Hopefully not
Wooooosh
Look at the spelling
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I actually heard Razor is pushing for the ABs to be sponsored by Canterbury Drought
Hopefully not
Wooooosh
Look at the spelling
Wooshed myself! Classic
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I think New Zealand need to end their fixation with the Barretts. On form this year Jordie was pretty rubbish both for the Canes and ABs, Barrett was mediocre and S Barrett was the same. We won't get back to our best until we start picking players on form, not past reputation which B Barrett has been dining out on for years now.
@Canes4life
Still plenty to offer, but not automatic selections.
DMac not starting v France totally baffling and not rational. -
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past.
That has been an issue for 20+ years now...harder to get dropped from the team than into it.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past.
That has been an issue for 20+ years now...harder to get dropped from the team than into it.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
Julian Savea was another one. The moment he went less dynamic than he had been he was GOOOOOOONE
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
Julian Savea was another one. The moment he went less dynamic than he had been he was GOOOOOOONE
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
Julian Savea was another one. The moment he went less dynamic than he had been he was GOOOOOOONE
No he wasn't he was kept for the Lions, that was well after his best, so it most certainly wasn't 'the moment'
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
Julian Savea was another one. The moment he went less dynamic than he had been he was GOOOOOOONE
No he wasn't he was kept for the Lions, that was well after his best, so it most certainly wasn't 'the moment'
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp No, but there is a world, where Jordie Barrett ends back up at fullback I reckon. We have uncertainty at 15, naturally Higgins and Proctor will probably rip it up in the midfield for the Canes etc. etc.
I'm picking Higgins to be the big mover in 2025, not many centres in NZ have the ability to use footwork and the offload like he does to open up opposition defence structures. A big work on for him though is his defence, Super will be a good test to see where he's at.
Its way too easy to be an 80-100 cap Allblack these days.
The natural churn owing to the continuous production line of talent and ruthless selection scalpel if form dipped are a thing of the past. There is too much incumbency rendering podcasts and shows like the breakdown irrelevant. You can talk about bolters all you want, but it just doesnt happen as much as it should any more.
Think of Nonu missing 2007 RWC, Dagg missing 2015 RWC or Joe Rokocoko missing the 2005 Lions tour.
The last two coaching set ups wouldnt have had the heart to drop them.
Julian Savea was another one. The moment he went less dynamic than he had been he was GOOOOOOONE
No he wasn't he was kept for the Lions, that was well after his best, so it most certainly wasn't 'the moment'
Maybe not but compared to some of today’s players it most certainly was. He was under pressure and gone way quicker.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
WTF is happening in this thread? @cgrant we tried him at 15, it wasn't great. @SBW1 you want to change him to a third position, when he's never been a very composed player and his boot isn't highly accurate in the field of play.
Yeah the ‘he has to play he’s a Barrett’ argument is getting ridiculous.
He’s already played 10 briefly, let’s have a fresh start in 2025 and put him at halfback. His height will be a real point of difference
