Highlanders 2025
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@SouthernMann I think once everyone is fit and firing, Manson probably fills the role of impact sub. Hurley no doubt has some great skills, but he has plenty to work on to be a reliable option at this level.
For now, Hurley might get a spot on the bench, simply because of injuries. I think considering the loose forward injuries, it will probably be a 5-3 split on the bench, so it will be one of Hurley and Robinson + Manson/Te Hiwi depending on which one starts. I suspect they will lean for specialist first five cover, but they may go for both.
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
@SouthernMann I think once everyone is fit and firing, Manson probably fills the role of impact sub. Hurley no doubt has some great skills, but he has plenty to work on to be a reliable option at this level.
Out of those 2 you mentioned, Hurley is the more well rounded player even the gap between them isn’t that big. You want to have an out and out winger on the bench? I’m taking the fullback that can cover wing on the bench for sure, adds that extra cover and versatility, especially when the gap between the players isn’t that big.
Like every season, everything works itself out whether it’s injuries or poor form. I think someone who should have a spot on the bench should be Robinson, being able to cover 10 and 15 comfortably, Robinson is more likely to keep Hurley out of the 23 than say, Manson. We will find out later this week either way.
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What are we considering as a success for the Highlanders this season?
In theory we came sixth last year, so missing the playoffs would be a step backwards, but I feel like with a stronger competition, we could take steps forward and still miss the playoffs?
I feel like barring anything really bad happening in the other games, the barometer of success is probably how we go in the derby matches.
The average scores over the past seasons for context:
2024: 20-38
2023: 16-40
2022: 17-27
2021 (Aotearoa): 25-28
2020 (Aotearoa): 25-28
2019: 21-27
2018: 26-28 -
What are we considering as a success for the Highlanders this season?
In theory we came sixth last year, so missing the playoffs would be a step backwards, but I feel like with a stronger competition, we could take steps forward and still miss the playoffs?
I feel like barring anything really bad happening in the other games, the barometer of success is probably how we go in the derby matches.
The average scores over the past seasons for context:
2024: 20-38
2023: 16-40
2022: 17-27
2021 (Aotearoa): 25-28
2020 (Aotearoa): 25-28
2019: 21-27
2018: 26-28@frugby those are the for and against averages for the whole season? so 22 & 23 we were only scoring two tries on average?
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@frugby those are the for and against averages for the whole season? so 22 & 23 we were only scoring two tries on average?
@Kiwiwomble The average score as generated on the Fern, so yeah.
Defence in the last two seasons a way bigger issue though. I think our physical ceiling in the backline has been a massive issue defensively - we've been exposed for a lack of pace.
I think this possibly explains why they want to try Tavatavanawai in the midfield over Te Hiwi. This same issue may also lead to Hurley replacing Gilbert, simply because the latter is too slow.
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@Kiwiwomble The average score as generated on the Fern, so yeah.
Defence in the last two seasons a way bigger issue though. I think our physical ceiling in the backline has been a massive issue defensively - we've been exposed for a lack of pace.
I think this possibly explains why they want to try Tavatavanawai in the midfield over Te Hiwi. This same issue may also lead to Hurley replacing Gilbert, simply because the latter is too slow.
@frugby i say this as someone who has come around to hurley massively....but if someone his size is our defensive hail mary.....im concerned, there is margin for error when you dont have the size, technique needs to be perfect every single time
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Sucess is somewhere between 5th and 8th on the table. Being in contention for the playoffs going into the final weekend.
Having four or five players in the picture for All Black contention. I'm thinking de Groot, Holland, Haig (hopefully he comes back firing), Tangitau and may be Millar.
Win one derby game away from home, and two at home.
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@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Hurley has unfortunately not stepped up from what I have seen/heard. He was woeful in his cameo in Invercargill, and it was notable he didn't get on until the last 20. If he is on the bench, it will only be because of injuries.
What makes you say Hurley was woeful? IMO he came on and did his core roles well while also adding a bit of something to the attack with some tired defenders on the field. Can’t expect the world when given 20mins in a pre season game. He’s a good player to have on the bench, can break things open and if someone goes down early then you could be doing a lot worse than bringing him on. I don’t mind him on the bench at all.
@Landers92 said in Highlanders 2025:
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Hurley has unfortunately not stepped up from what I have seen/heard. He was woeful in his cameo in Invercargill, and it was notable he didn't get on until the last 20. If he is on the bench, it will only be because of injuries.
What makes you say Hurley was woeful? IMO he came on and did his core roles well while also adding a bit of something to the attack with some tired defenders on the field. Can’t expect the world when given 20mins in a pre season game. He’s a good player to have on the bench, can break things open and if someone goes down early then you could be doing a lot worse than bringing him on. I don’t mind him on the bench at all.
I with you here Landers, I tend to think this kid Hurey has got the makings of being good.
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Anyone know when the team announcement is?
@upthelanders All teams named at 4pm today.
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Do we have an update on the wider training group?
I’m assuming it’s Jack Sexton, Sam Fischlii, Adam Lennox, Matt Whaanga and Waisake Salabiau but any other names on the list?
I’m also assuming Michael Loft, and Josh Tengblad are now officially members of the squad for the season?
Then also assuming Dylan Pledger, Moana Takaka and Kyan Rangitura will be training with the team a lot too.
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Felt like last night was a good step forward in many ways. A few guys certainly locked in their spots, while others raised questions about whether they should be there.
My questions are
Should we be playing our two locks for 80 minutes, and who can we chuck on our bench
Is Naeata a viable starting loosie. Should we look to either bring in Broughton or Lasaqa to the loosie trio
Is Sam Gilbert a steady hand or a liability. Could it be better to push Taine Robinson back to fullback and start Millar. Push Gilbert to the bench
Has Hastie done enough to keep the starting halfback spot
My team for the Blues clash
De Groot
Vikena (needs to improve his throwing)
Ma'u
Holland (needs to get more involved)
Dunshea
Renton
Withy
BroughtonHastie
Millar
Tangitau
Tavatavanawai
Tele'a
Manson
RobinsonTaylor
DLB/Batrlett
Kautai
Tengblad
Lasaqa
Fakatava
Gilbert
HurleyEven with the injuries we have at the moment. This is looking like the best Landers side potential wise in a long time. A lot.of young lads who need to be given time and the ability to make mistakes.
The Blues will be a bit pissed off. I still think we can go into the final 10 next week fully in the game, and a shout of winning.
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Felt like last night was a good step forward in many ways. A few guys certainly locked in their spots, while others raised questions about whether they should be there.
My questions are
Should we be playing our two locks for 80 minutes, and who can we chuck on our bench
Is Naeata a viable starting loosie. Should we look to either bring in Broughton or Lasaqa to the loosie trio
Is Sam Gilbert a steady hand or a liability. Could it be better to push Taine Robinson back to fullback and start Millar. Push Gilbert to the bench
Has Hastie done enough to keep the starting halfback spot
My team for the Blues clash
De Groot
Vikena (needs to improve his throwing)
Ma'u
Holland (needs to get more involved)
Dunshea
Renton
Withy
BroughtonHastie
Millar
Tangitau
Tavatavanawai
Tele'a
Manson
RobinsonTaylor
DLB/Batrlett
Kautai
Tengblad
Lasaqa
Fakatava
Gilbert
HurleyEven with the injuries we have at the moment. This is looking like the best Landers side potential wise in a long time. A lot.of young lads who need to be given time and the ability to make mistakes.
The Blues will be a bit pissed off. I still think we can go into the final 10 next week fully in the game, and a shout of winning.
@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:
Felt like last night was a good step forward in many ways. A few guys certainly locked in their spots, while others raised questions about whether they should be there.
My questions are
Should we be playing our two locks for 80 minutes, and who can we chuck on our bench
Is Naeata a viable starting loosie. Should we look to either bring in Broughton or Lasaqa to the loosie trio
Is Sam Gilbert a steady hand or a liability. Could it be better to push Taine Robinson back to fullback and start Millar. Push Gilbert to the bench
Has Hastie done enough to keep the starting halfback spot
My team for the Blues clash
De Groot
Vikena (needs to improve his throwing)
Ma'u
Holland (needs to get more involved)
Dunshea
Renton
Withy
BroughtonHastie
Millar
Tangitau
Tavatavanawai
Tele'a
Manson
RobinsonTaylor
DLB/Batrlett
Kautai
Tengblad
Lasaqa
Fakatava
Gilbert
HurleyEven with the injuries we have at the moment. This is looking like the best Landers side potential wise in a long time. A lot.of young lads who need to be given time and the ability to make mistakes.
The Blues will be a bit pissed off. I still think we can go into the final 10 next week fully in the game, and a shout of winning.
This Landers side definitely seems more deadly on attack compared to previous seasons. As long as they keep parity up front they’ll be pushing for the playoffs for sure.
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Felt like last night was a good step forward in many ways. A few guys certainly locked in their spots, while others raised questions about whether they should be there.
My questions are
Should we be playing our two locks for 80 minutes, and who can we chuck on our bench
Is Naeata a viable starting loosie. Should we look to either bring in Broughton or Lasaqa to the loosie trio
Is Sam Gilbert a steady hand or a liability. Could it be better to push Taine Robinson back to fullback and start Millar. Push Gilbert to the bench
Has Hastie done enough to keep the starting halfback spot
My team for the Blues clash
De Groot
Vikena (needs to improve his throwing)
Ma'u
Holland (needs to get more involved)
Dunshea
Renton
Withy
BroughtonHastie
Millar
Tangitau
Tavatavanawai
Tele'a
Manson
RobinsonTaylor
DLB/Batrlett
Kautai
Tengblad
Lasaqa
Fakatava
Gilbert
HurleyEven with the injuries we have at the moment. This is looking like the best Landers side potential wise in a long time. A lot.of young lads who need to be given time and the ability to make mistakes.
The Blues will be a bit pissed off. I still think we can go into the final 10 next week fully in the game, and a shout of winning.
Tend to agree I wouldn’t change too much - it was only the first game of the season.
Broughton starts with Renton to 6, and Millar starts for me. I thought Gilbert was okay for the first 60, but then got absolutely shagged. That aerial assault would have been difficult for any player to deal with, so I am ambivalent as to who starts.
Bench I would pretty much leave. I am fine with Naeta, but I would run a 6-2 split, so Gilbert/Robinson misses out. Either Stodart or Tengbald comes onto the bench, and I’d leave the front row. DLB looked the best he has in years!
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Tend to agree I wouldn’t change too much - it was only the first game of the season.
Broughton starts with Renton to 6, and Millar starts for me. I thought Gilbert was okay for the first 60, but then got absolutely shagged. That aerial assault would have been difficult for any player to deal with, so I am ambivalent as to who starts.
Bench I would pretty much leave. I am fine with Naeta, but I would run a 6-2 split, so Gilbert/Robinson misses out. Either Stodart or Tengbald comes onto the bench, and I’d leave the front row. DLB looked the best he has in years!
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Tend to agree I wouldn’t change too much - it was only the first game of the season.
Broughton starts with Renton to 6, and Millar starts for me. I thought Gilbert was okay for the first 60, but then got absolutely shagged. That aerial assault would have been difficult for any player to deal with, so I am ambivalent as to who starts.
Bench I would pretty much leave. I am fine with Naeta, but I would run a 6-2 split, so Gilbert/Robinson misses out. Either Stodart or Tengbald comes onto the bench, and I’d leave the front row. DLB looked the best he has in years!
Agree on Renton to 6 and Broughton to 8. I would start Millar.
If we are going a 6/2 split, I want a halfback and either Robinson/Gilbert on the bench. Hurley would be the one to miss out you would think. Gilbert and Robinson provide that more proven cover at 10, Hurley can play it at a pinch but that’s way off super level so feel he would miss out if that’s the case.
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@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Tend to agree I wouldn’t change too much - it was only the first game of the season.
Broughton starts with Renton to 6, and Millar starts for me. I thought Gilbert was okay for the first 60, but then got absolutely shagged. That aerial assault would have been difficult for any player to deal with, so I am ambivalent as to who starts.
Bench I would pretty much leave. I am fine with Naeta, but I would run a 6-2 split, so Gilbert/Robinson misses out. Either Stodart or Tengbald comes onto the bench, and I’d leave the front row. DLB looked the best he has in years!
Agree on Renton to 6 and Broughton to 8. I would start Millar.
If we are going a 6/2 split, I want a halfback and either Robinson/Gilbert on the bench. Hurley would be the one to miss out you would think. Gilbert and Robinson provide that more proven cover at 10, Hurley can play it at a pinch but that’s way off super level so feel he would miss out if that’s the case.
@Landers92 Fair enough. If Robinson starts at 15 though, I’d lean Hurley. As much as I am no great fan, as he did when he came on, Hurley can break a game open.
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I think Hurley is a must have on the bench. 20 - 25 minutes of him in a roving role can be absolute dynamite. What we need from the players around him is understanding how he plays. Looking out for him running off their shoulders, and doing the same from him.
Interms of bench inpact; him, Fakatava and Lasaqa are the three guys that can change a game with 25 to go.
I'd also lean more towards Jack Taylor over Henry Bell for the same reasons.
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Agreed if Fakatava is going overseas it would make sense for Hastie to be starting this season and Fakatava to be on the bench breaking the game open.
When TUJ returns I’d slot him at 22 and Hurley at 23. With Gilbert providing 10/15 cover on the field. Jack Taylor probably gets slotted in mid season on the bench over Bell. Though I have been impressed with Bell.
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Updated injury list.
Oliver Haig (foot / 8 weeks )
Jonah Lowe (ACL / 6 weeks )
TK Howden (hamstring / 3 weeks)
Jona Nareki (ankle /4 weeks)
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens (neck / 8 weeksGood to see Umaga Jenson removed from the list. Unsure if development have any games coming up but wouldn’t be shocked to see him get minutes there.
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just saw this posted so another way to see who fit
I remember being very happy with fischli during the NPC so wouldnt mind seeing him get some minutes
