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@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Is this ad real? That guy is huge, he would snap those girls in two! Lol
Only smiled because he’s on their team
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Parents in hospitals are asked fill out a form confirming their babies gender and sexual orientation to comply with a New Jersey law requiring healthcare providers to “collect race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and gender identity in a culturally competent and sensitive manner”.
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this is happening in the UK apparently:
"In one case a paediatrician said that a child had been brought up in the preferred gender of the mother, which was different to their birth-assigned gender. “She [the mother] had gone to the GP and requested a change of gender/NHS number when the baby was a few weeks old and the GP had complied. Children’s social care did not perceive this as a child protection issue,” the doctor reported."
Biological sex erased from official data on health, crime and education
Robust and accurate data on biological sex has been lost, leading to cancer referrals being missed and previous convictions being overlooked, a review has found
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When it gets serious. A top UK defence scientist believed sex was immutable and therefore very important when designing .defence kit
There were numerous examples where women had been disadvantaged in the military, including in the provision of body armour that did not fit women as well as men: “To address those kinds of issues you’ve got to recognise the biological differences between the sexes,” he said.
For this he was effectively dismissed from the UK's top-secret Defence Science and Technology Laboratory.
Porton Down scientist forced out over gender beliefs wins legal battle
The tribunal found a ‘clear hostile animus’ towards Peter Wilkins, who worked at Porton Down, expressed gender-critical views
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Receiving compensation is all well and good but if it doesn’t come with job firings and policy changes then it’s for nought
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World Athletics to introduce genetic tests for women
Female athletes will soon have to undergo a one-time genetic test to compete.
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University allowed a professor to hounded out by death threats for writing a book questioning that gender identity was more important than sex. Gets fined,. goes bonkers.
University of Sussex said the regulator had been determined to make an example of its case and "entrench an extreme libertarian free speech position".....it accused the regulator of pursuing a "vindictive and unreasonable campaign".
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@Victor-Meldrew there is this reality disconnection with a supreme sense of righteousness that is a really scary combination. I run into it with people sometimes who are just so sure that what they are doing is God's Work.
Wild.
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@nzzp said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I run into it with people sometimes who are just so sure that what they are doing is God's Work
Pretty much sums it up. Personally, I think deep down they know their stance is illogical & against biology but can't bring themselves to acknowledge the scientific facts - hence they lash out.
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Let's hope it is firstly logical and fair and secondly a viable stance. Whatever, there will be a backlash.
The trouble is, where does that line get drawn? That line is so blurred now save for the extreme poles (no, not a dig at all you chicks on here), so there will be a lot of people unhappy with whatever the outcome may be.
Common sense would be a good starting point.
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@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
That line is so blurred now
Is it?
You're either male or female. There's no in between.
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Anything that is 'born again' brings out the lunatics.
It used to be harmless god botherers.
Now it's a very vocal, increasingly powerful lunatic fringe - pink or purple of course.
In conversation with these lunatics that keep telling me I'm wrong and that they feel and identify as one of a thousand sexes I tell them
'After watching Wales get hammered by England recently in the 6N I FEEL I could have done a better job in red despite being 58 years old.'
Then I really look them in the eye and say
'But we both know that's ridiculous and impossible'
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@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
That line is so blurred now
Is it?
You're either male or female. There's no in between.
Yeah it is. It has become blurred from examples such as Semenya, from scientific “advances” that can alter certain aspects of biological sex and from the ideology that follows. To not acknowledge this is naive.
Agreeing with it is another matter.
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@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
That line is so blurred now
Is it?
You're either male or female. There's no in between.
Yeah it is. It has become blurred from examples such as Semenya, from scientific “advances” that can alter certain aspects of biological sex and from the ideology that follows. To not acknowledge this is naive.
Agreeing with it is another matter.
sorry but Semenya is not a blurred example. Semenya is a male with a DSD. Semenya benefitted from male development.
Emma Hilton and Ross Tucker have laid out the perfect process to identify who has benefitted from male development (the tweet above is a great start if you haven't read their proposals).
I don't accept the subject is blurred, I do accept that the screening is only the beginning of the process for those who fail the screening, further investigation is required to identify if they have benefitted from male development.
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@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Let's hope it is firstly logical and fair and secondly a viable stance. Whatever, there will be a backlash.
The trouble is, where does that line get drawn? That line is so blurred now save for the extreme poles (no, not a dig at all you chicks on here), so there will be a lot of people unhappy with whatever the outcome may be.
Common sense would be a good starting point.
Interesting take from Mrs M's DiL who runs in elite events and follows this stuff from that perspective.
Thinks this is exactly the right thing to do and going forward will do much to kill controversy. Hopes it doesn't impact the very small number of individuals who have played by the rules (e.g. Semenya) and thinks phasing it in for them will work.
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