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When it gets serious. A top UK defence scientist believed sex was immutable and therefore very important when designing .defence kit
There were numerous examples where women had been disadvantaged in the military, including in the provision of body armour that did not fit women as well as men: “To address those kinds of issues you’ve got to recognise the biological differences between the sexes,” he said.
For this he was effectively dismissed from the UK's top-secret Defence Science and Technology Laboratory.
Porton Down scientist forced out over gender beliefs wins legal battle
The tribunal found a ‘clear hostile animus’ towards Peter Wilkins, who worked at Porton Down, expressed gender-critical views
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Receiving compensation is all well and good but if it doesn’t come with job firings and policy changes then it’s for nought
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World Athletics to introduce genetic tests for women
Female athletes will soon have to undergo a one-time genetic test to compete.
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University allowed a professor to hounded out by death threats for writing a book questioning that gender identity was more important than sex. Gets fined,. goes bonkers.
University of Sussex said the regulator had been determined to make an example of its case and "entrench an extreme libertarian free speech position".....it accused the regulator of pursuing a "vindictive and unreasonable campaign".
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@Victor-Meldrew there is this reality disconnection with a supreme sense of righteousness that is a really scary combination. I run into it with people sometimes who are just so sure that what they are doing is God's Work.
Wild.
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@nzzp said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I run into it with people sometimes who are just so sure that what they are doing is God's Work
Pretty much sums it up. Personally, I think deep down they know their stance is illogical & against biology but can't bring themselves to acknowledge the scientific facts - hence they lash out.
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Let's hope it is firstly logical and fair and secondly a viable stance. Whatever, there will be a backlash.
The trouble is, where does that line get drawn? That line is so blurred now save for the extreme poles (no, not a dig at all you chicks on here), so there will be a lot of people unhappy with whatever the outcome may be.
Common sense would be a good starting point.
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@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
That line is so blurred now
Is it?
You're either male or female. There's no in between.
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Anything that is 'born again' brings out the lunatics.
It used to be harmless god botherers.
Now it's a very vocal, increasingly powerful lunatic fringe - pink or purple of course.
In conversation with these lunatics that keep telling me I'm wrong and that they feel and identify as one of a thousand sexes I tell them
'After watching Wales get hammered by England recently in the 6N I FEEL I could have done a better job in red despite being 58 years old.'
Then I really look them in the eye and say
'But we both know that's ridiculous and impossible'
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@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
That line is so blurred now
Is it?
You're either male or female. There's no in between.
Yeah it is. It has become blurred from examples such as Semenya, from scientific “advances” that can alter certain aspects of biological sex and from the ideology that follows. To not acknowledge this is naive.
Agreeing with it is another matter.
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@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
That line is so blurred now
Is it?
You're either male or female. There's no in between.
Yeah it is. It has become blurred from examples such as Semenya, from scientific “advances” that can alter certain aspects of biological sex and from the ideology that follows. To not acknowledge this is naive.
Agreeing with it is another matter.
sorry but Semenya is not a blurred example. Semenya is a male with a DSD. Semenya benefitted from male development.
Emma Hilton and Ross Tucker have laid out the perfect process to identify who has benefitted from male development (the tweet above is a great start if you haven't read their proposals).
I don't accept the subject is blurred, I do accept that the screening is only the beginning of the process for those who fail the screening, further investigation is required to identify if they have benefitted from male development.
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@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Let's hope it is firstly logical and fair and secondly a viable stance. Whatever, there will be a backlash.
The trouble is, where does that line get drawn? That line is so blurred now save for the extreme poles (no, not a dig at all you chicks on here), so there will be a lot of people unhappy with whatever the outcome may be.
Common sense would be a good starting point.
Interesting take from Mrs M's DiL who runs in elite events and follows this stuff from that perspective.
Thinks this is exactly the right thing to do and going forward will do much to kill controversy. Hopes it doesn't impact the very small number of individuals who have played by the rules (e.g. Semenya) and thinks phasing it in for them will work.
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Ideally, it will draw a line at a sensible place and put the issue to bed once and for all, but I doubt it.
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@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
FWIW. I hold broadly the same beliefs as you both, however, I also see that events have changed the views, to one degree or another, of many people. This cannot be ignored.
Sorry I'm a bit confused about the above (genuinely), what events / views are you talking about, can you explain?
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I guess I mean what science has given us. Take Semenya’s case for example. Back along, you have a minge, then you’re a woman. But science has allowed us to look past that. It has provided many other tests over and above the minge test. Science has given us the ability to artificially change our sex to a degree and who’s to say that won’t go farther in the future. Scientific progress has given an alternative viewpoint for some, which in turn has spawned the current ideology.
Yeah, I guess that’s what I mean when I say events.
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