All Blacks 2025
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Rieko just isn't a creator. Never has been. He's a very elusive runner, and he's quick, and he's a good defender. He's not a crash runner. Someone else needs to put him in space.
I haven't been watching Jordie up north where by all accounts he's been good (in what positions?), but I haven't seen much of him creating space for others in the last couple of seasons. Laboured passing, indecision.
Higgins and Narawa are our two most creative midfielders, but they both have defensive issues - I do think that is easier to teach than the other though.@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
I haven't been watching Jordie up north where by all accounts he's been good (in what positions?), but I haven't seen much of him creating space for others in the last couple of seasons.
When has he ever done this???
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
I haven't been watching Jordie up north where by all accounts he's been good (in what positions?), but I haven't seen much of him creating space for others in the last couple of seasons.
When has he ever done this???
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@voodoo Multiple times for Leinster against Glasgow at the weekend.
Is...is space created by making tackles? He's been doing it his whole career then.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@voodoo Multiple times for Leinster against Glasgow at the weekend.
Is...is space created by making tackles? He's been doing it his whole career then.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
The Irish are calling Jodie Barrett "Rugby's cheat code." (From 04:27 below)
The Irish, like many in the NH, always exaggerate and get over excited. The real test will be in the final against Toulouse. Being part of what is effectively an international team against a club team and steam rolling them isn’t much to get excited about
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
The Irish are calling Jodie Barrett "Rugby's cheat code." (From 04:27 below)
The Irish, like many in the NH, always exaggerate and get over excited. The real test will be in the final against Toulouse. Being part of what is effectively an international team against a club team and steam rolling them isn’t much to get excited about
I partially agree.
Jordie is looking so good because he is part of a dominant and extremely well-coached Leinster team. Easily the best in the URC and, as you say, Toulouse are probably their only really challenger in the European Cup.
But these is no denying as part of a high-quality rotated midfield, he's looking extremely sharp.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
What is the Right Wing depth chart after Mark Telea goes offshore?
Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Chay Fihaki, Macca Springer, Dallas McLeod.
In all seriousness. Below would be my order for the 14 jersey. It’s quite a short list when you think about what quality 14’s are actually out there.
- Jordan(If BB is 15).
- Tangitau/Reece
- Tangitau/Reece
- Narawa
I wouldn’t mind seeing Lam(yes he’s been playing 12 but still a good winger)or ENS(when fit) get a crack.
Unfortunately I think Razor will see Fihaki ahead of Lam, ENS, Narawa and potentially Tangitau.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
Tangitau
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
What is the Right Wing depth chart after Mark Telea goes offshore?
Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Chay Fihaki, Macca Springer, Dallas McLeod.
In all seriousness. Below would be my order for the 14 jersey. It’s quite a short list when you think about what quality 14’s are actually out there.
- Jordan(If BB is 15).
- Tangitau/Reece
- Tangitau/Reece
- Narawa
I wouldn’t mind seeing Lam(yes he’s been playing 12 but still a good winger)or ENS(when fit) get a crack.
Unfortunately I think Razor will see Fihaki ahead of Lam, ENS, Narawa and potentially Tangitau.
Would be an injustice if they didn't give Tangitau a chance.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
For all of the criticism that comes Rieko Ioane's way, he sure as hell covers a lot of ground on defence. Yeah, I see the criticisms with him on attack and yes, probably attacks better on the wing, but he's an elite defender.
He does work hard on defence I agree, but his decision making in complex scenarios isn't elite - I think his scramble is right up there, tho
As has been pointed out, using him as a constant crash ball option also doesn't suit him.
Doesn't Jordie or Havili or ALB, but the ABs have been doing it for years - you'd kinda have hoped Razor might have changed that.
He's not Levi Aumua.
Neither is Levi Aumua, this year!
Good post.
RI's D has come on in leaps and bounds and last year he put in some outstanding stuff. But apart from that, he hasn't really kicked on and we really need to explore options at 13. Robertson needs to be a bit bolder.
Or develop a gameplan that permits Rieko to use his undoubted strengths. At the moment they may as well play another flanker. Using your centre to do almost nothing on attack but crashball off pop passes on the defensive line is fucking dumb.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
For all of the criticism that comes Rieko Ioane's way, he sure as hell covers a lot of ground on defence. Yeah, I see the criticisms with him on attack and yes, probably attacks better on the wing, but he's an elite defender.
He does work hard on defence I agree, but his decision making in complex scenarios isn't elite - I think his scramble is right up there, tho
As has been pointed out, using him as a constant crash ball option also doesn't suit him.
Doesn't Jordie or Havili or ALB, but the ABs have been doing it for years - you'd kinda have hoped Razor might have changed that.
He's not Levi Aumua.
Neither is Levi Aumua, this year!
Good post.
RI's D has come on in leaps and bounds and last year he put in some outstanding stuff. But apart from that, he hasn't really kicked on and we really need to explore options at 13. Robertson needs to be a bit bolder.
Or develop a gameplan that permits Rieko to use his undoubted strengths. At the moment they may as well play another flanker. Using your centre to do almost nothing on attack but crashball off pop passes on the defensive line is fucking dumb.
This may be the masterplan - Robertson is struggling to fit all his 6.5s into one loose trio, but he sees an opportunity at centre.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
For all of the criticism that comes Rieko Ioane's way, he sure as hell covers a lot of ground on defence. Yeah, I see the criticisms with him on attack and yes, probably attacks better on the wing, but he's an elite defender.
He does work hard on defence I agree, but his decision making in complex scenarios isn't elite - I think his scramble is right up there, tho
As has been pointed out, using him as a constant crash ball option also doesn't suit him.
Doesn't Jordie or Havili or ALB, but the ABs have been doing it for years - you'd kinda have hoped Razor might have changed that.
He's not Levi Aumua.
Neither is Levi Aumua, this year!
Good post.
RI's D has come on in leaps and bounds and last year he put in some outstanding stuff. But apart from that, he hasn't really kicked on and we really need to explore options at 13. Robertson needs to be a bit bolder.
Or develop a gameplan that permits Rieko to use his undoubted strengths. At the moment they may as well play another flanker. Using your centre to do almost nothing on attack but crashball off pop passes on the defensive line is fucking dumb.
This may be the masterplan - Robertson is struggling to fit all his 6.5s into one loose trio, but he sees an opportunity at centre.
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
For all of the criticism that comes Rieko Ioane's way, he sure as hell covers a lot of ground on defence. Yeah, I see the criticisms with him on attack and yes, probably attacks better on the wing, but he's an elite defender.
He does work hard on defence I agree, but his decision making in complex scenarios isn't elite - I think his scramble is right up there, tho
As has been pointed out, using him as a constant crash ball option also doesn't suit him.
Doesn't Jordie or Havili or ALB, but the ABs have been doing it for years - you'd kinda have hoped Razor might have changed that.
He's not Levi Aumua.
Neither is Levi Aumua, this year!
Good post.
RI's D has come on in leaps and bounds and last year he put in some outstanding stuff. But apart from that, he hasn't really kicked on and we really need to explore options at 13. Robertson needs to be a bit bolder.
Or develop a gameplan that permits Rieko to use his undoubted strengths. At the moment they may as well play another flanker. Using your centre to do almost nothing on attack but crashball off pop passes on the defensive line is fucking dumb.
This may be the masterplan - Robertson is struggling to fit all his 6.5s into one loose trio, but he sees an opportunity at centre.
6 Papalii, 7 Blackadder, 8 Jacobsen. Easy.
Impact in a game is overrated
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@voodoo Multiple times for Leinster against Glasgow at the weekend.
Is...is space created by making tackles? He's been doing it his whole career then.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@voodoo Multiple times for Leinster against Glasgow at the weekend.
Is...is space created by making tackles? He's been doing it his whole career then.
Watching Sparky's highlight reel makes me think Jordie is our future at #7!
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@voodoo Multiple times for Leinster against Glasgow at the weekend.
Is...is space created by making tackles? He's been doing it his whole career then.
Watching Sparky's highlight reel makes me think Jordie is our future at #7!
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@voodoo Multiple times for Leinster against Glasgow at the weekend.
Is...is space created by making tackles? He's been doing it his whole career then.
Watching Sparky's highlight reel makes me think Jordie is our future at #7!
Nah, too big to make the ABs as a loose forward.
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Some interesting stats for wingers in NZ. 1 stands out a lot more than the rest. Saw the breakdown had thrown this up and after the winger chat in here the other day I thought it was worth a share.
PLAYER
GAMES
TRIES
AVG DEF. BEATENCaleb Tangitau
7 Games
6 Tries
3.4 Def beatenSevu Reece
66 Games
53 Tries
3.1 Def beatenKini Naholo
32 Games
19 Tries
2.8 Def beatenLeroy Carter
7 Games
4 Tries
3.4 Def beatenMark Tele'a
64 Games
34 Tries
4.7 Def beatenEmoni Narawa
47 Games
24 Tries
2.6 Def BeatenCaleb Clarke
63 Games
30 Tries
2.9 Def beatenChay Fihaki
38 Games
9 Tries
1.6 Def beatenTimoci Tavatavanawai
43 Games
14 Tries
5.6 Def beaten -
Some interesting stats for wingers in NZ. 1 stands out a lot more than the rest. Saw the breakdown had thrown this up and after the winger chat in here the other day I thought it was worth a share.
PLAYER
GAMES
TRIES
AVG DEF. BEATENCaleb Tangitau
7 Games
6 Tries
3.4 Def beatenSevu Reece
66 Games
53 Tries
3.1 Def beatenKini Naholo
32 Games
19 Tries
2.8 Def beatenLeroy Carter
7 Games
4 Tries
3.4 Def beatenMark Tele'a
64 Games
34 Tries
4.7 Def beatenEmoni Narawa
47 Games
24 Tries
2.6 Def BeatenCaleb Clarke
63 Games
30 Tries
2.9 Def beatenChay Fihaki
38 Games
9 Tries
1.6 Def beatenTimoci Tavatavanawai
43 Games
14 Tries
5.6 Def beaten -
@Landers92 Sevu Reece Tarzan at Super, jane at ABs level. maybe I'm being too harsh
️@Grooter said in All Blacks 2025:
@Landers92 Sevu Reece Tarzan at Super, jane at ABs level. maybe I'm being too harsh
️I don't remember any Tarzans playing on the wing for the ABs but Jane was a gun at test level. Consistently better than Reece at any rate.
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Some interesting stats for wingers in NZ. 1 stands out a lot more than the rest. Saw the breakdown had thrown this up and after the winger chat in here the other day I thought it was worth a share.
PLAYER
GAMES
TRIES
AVG DEF. BEATENCaleb Tangitau
7 Games
6 Tries
3.4 Def beatenSevu Reece
66 Games
53 Tries
3.1 Def beatenKini Naholo
32 Games
19 Tries
2.8 Def beatenLeroy Carter
7 Games
4 Tries
3.4 Def beatenMark Tele'a
64 Games
34 Tries
4.7 Def beatenEmoni Narawa
47 Games
24 Tries
2.6 Def BeatenCaleb Clarke
63 Games
30 Tries
2.9 Def beatenChay Fihaki
38 Games
9 Tries
1.6 Def beatenTimoci Tavatavanawai
43 Games
14 Tries
5.6 Def beaten -
@Landers92 be interesting to see them on a graph across the years. But clearly Sir Chay is to the manor born
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Landers92 be interesting to see them on a graph across the years. But clearly Sir Chay is to the manor born
You're good with computers apparently. Can you convert this into some kind of excel spreadsheet ? It's hard to read it as it is.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Landers92 be interesting to see them on a graph across the years. But clearly Sir Chay is to the manor born
You're good with computers apparently. Can you convert this into some kind of excel spreadsheet ? It's hard to read it as it is.
