All Blacks 2025
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
Not sure why Christie is so vilified on here.
Slow service
Inconsistent passer
Poor option taker
Slow option taker
Struggles with messy ball
Has poor feel for the position
High error rate
Tries to do too muchThere's a few reasons
Ginger
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
Not sure why Christie is so vilified on here.
Slow service
Inconsistent passer
Poor option taker
Slow option taker
Struggles with messy ball
Has poor feel for the position
High error rate
Tries to do too muchThere's a few reasons
Ginger
Was gonna post it but you beat me to it :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
I love to see Beaudy dropped for Ruben Love as the second 10-15.
Beaudy isn't going to make it to 2027 and be any good. So what is Razor waiting for?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
I love to see Beaudy dropped for Ruben Love as the second 10-15.
Beaudy isn't going to make it to 2027 and be any good. So what is Razor waiting for?
What was Foster waiting for as well? The decline has been long and gradual.
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I don't think Ratima is very strong tactically, but has speed and toughness and plays to patterns. Cam is easily number one. Be good to have 2 others available with different strengths in my view. Not sure why Christie is so vilified on here.
I am not fully convinced by Lakai yet. He is high action, but not sure on how he matches up physically compared to other loosie contenders. I think ABs will value that physical impact greatly.
Procter is a must for 13 in my view. And I want to see how Ollie Norris would go.
It all makes for plenty of scrutiny in remaining super matches.@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
Not sure why Christie is so vilified on here.
See where you're coming from. Good, solid servant from the bench. Probably the best option for '23/24.
Proved to be a bit of a liability starting at Test level. Way better options now available in Ratima, Roigard & Hotham
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
While he can still pull out a good performance here and there, BBs best days are behind him. I think he is a liability to the development of the team as we move to 2027, Beaudy is taking time away from potential successors
When NZR signed a long-ish contract with him, I assumed the strategy was using him on the bench or providing an experienced backup allowing Robertson to blood new players at 10 and 15.
How wrong I was.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
While he can still pull out a good performance here and there, BBs best days are behind him. I think he is a liability to the development of the team as we move to 2027, Beaudy is taking time away from potential successors
When NZR signed a long-ish contract with him, I assumed the strategy was using him on the bench or providing an experienced backup allowing Robertson to blood new players at 10 and 15.
How wrong I was.
Robertson selected DMac as 1st choice 1st 5 from his first test, you know the less experienced guy who had not been the guy in 2023. And SP, the relatively green and inexperienced guy was selected at fullback. Barrett, the experienced backup on the bench.
So a tick, tick right?
Second test, the same selections. More ticks.
3rd, 4th and 5th tests DMac is still at 10. But we have a problem at fullback with Perofeta, so Tobertson selects Barrett at fullback and should’ve bit the bullet at that point and selected Jordan - which he eventually got to for the second Boks tests, the Bledisloe and all the bigger games for the NH tour. So new fullback blooded. Tick.
And SP also started a NH test at fullback. Tick.
So after Bledisloe I there is an issue with DMac, so he is replaced by Barrett for 3 of the final 5 tests as the starter. No tick.
There was intent and endeavour, with those selections, and some missed opportunities as well but hardly all wrong.
This season we will see a much improved Love (didn’t think he played that well last season) make his move. And there is definitely one other on the coaches radar, but don’t want to jinx it by calling it out early
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Everyone on here should be happy. The team is pretty settled.
2-3 years ago we literally didn't have a front row or a mid field. The game plan was chaotic.
Then Ryan arrived.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
Everyone on here should be happy. The team is pretty settled.
2-3 years ago we literally didn't have a front row or a mid field. The game plan was chaotic.
Then Ryan arrived.Things are certainly better than they were mid-way through the Foster era.
But, I'll be pleased when we are Number 1 in the world. I'll be happy when we have the William Webb Ellis trophy safely back in the All Blacks Captain's hands. I'll be satisfied when there is daylight between ourselves and all other international sides in the world. That's the natural order of things.
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Yep it's time to challenge SA.
It's great having some runners up front. Williams Vaai Savea Sititi Roigard DMac.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
While he can still pull out a good performance here and there, BBs best days are behind him. I think he is a liability to the development of the team as we move to 2027, Beaudy is taking time away from potential successors
When NZR signed a long-ish contract with him, I assumed the strategy was using him on the bench or providing an experienced backup allowing Robertson to blood new players at 10 and 15.
How wrong I was.
Robertson selected DMac as 1st choice 1st 5 from his first test, you know the less experienced guy who had not been the guy in 2023. And SP, the relatively green and inexperienced guy was selected at fullback. Barrett, the experienced backup on the bench.
So a tick, tick right?
Second test, the same selections. More ticks.
3rd, 4th and 5th tests DMac is still at 10. But we have a problem at fullback with Perofeta, so Tobertson selects Barrett at fullback and should’ve bit the bullet at that point and selected Jordan - which he eventually got to for the second Boks tests, the Bledisloe and all the bigger games for the NH tour. So new fullback blooded. Tick.
And SP also started a NH test at fullback. Tick.
So after Bledisloe I there is an issue with DMac, so he is replaced by Barrett for 3 of the final 5 tests as the starter. No tick.
There was intent and endeavour, with those selections, and some missed opportunities as well but hardly all wrong.
This season we will see a much improved Love (didn’t think he played that well last season) make his move. And there is definitely one other on the coaches radar, but don’t want to jinx it by calling it out early
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
And there is definitely one other on the coaches radar, but don’t want to jinx it by calling it out early
Oh come on. Kemara is injured and JOC is ineligible isn't he? So that leaves Rihanna.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
While he can still pull out a good performance here and there, BBs best days are behind him. I think he is a liability to the development of the team as we move to 2027, Beaudy is taking time away from potential successors
When NZR signed a long-ish contract with him, I assumed the strategy was using him on the bench or providing an experienced backup allowing Robertson to blood new players at 10 and 15.
How wrong I was.
Robertson selected DMac as 1st choice 1st 5 from his first test, you know the less experienced guy who had not been the guy in 2023. And SP, the relatively green and inexperienced guy was selected at fullback. Barrett, the experienced backup on the bench.
So a tick, tick right?
Second test, the same selections. More ticks.
3rd, 4th and 5th tests DMac is still at 10. But we have a problem at fullback with Perofeta, so Tobertson selects Barrett at fullback and should’ve bit the bullet at that point and selected Jordan - which he eventually got to for the second Boks tests, the Bledisloe and all the bigger games for the NH tour. So new fullback blooded. Tick.
And SP also started a NH test at fullback. Tick.
So after Bledisloe I there is an issue with DMac, so he is replaced by Barrett for 3 of the final 5 tests as the starter. No tick.
There was intent and endeavour, with those selections, and some missed opportunities as well but hardly all wrong.
This season we will see a much improved Love (didn’t think he played that well last season) make his move. And there is definitely one other on the coaches radar, but don’t want to jinx it by calling it out early
Good post. After Bledisloe was the head-scratching point for me. Had his feet under the table, 1st year of a four year contact, a blank sheet to develop his squad, but decided to play safe with Barrett after the TRC was lost.
Ideal opportunity to give game time to form players - esp. Plummer and Proctor - but lacked the confidence or experience to do so.
Not the sort of structured, planned approach we were promised/expected. Hopefully this year...
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
And there is definitely one other on the coaches radar, but don’t want to jinx it by calling it out early
Oh come on. Kemara is injured and JOC is ineligible isn't he? So that leaves Rihanna.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
And there is definitely one other on the coaches radar, but don’t want to jinx it by calling it out early
Oh come on. Kemara is injured and JOC is ineligible isn't he? So that leaves Rihanna.
A few weeks ago an Aussie commentator mentioned Harkin was in the mix for AB selection. That would be interesting.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
I don't really remember them being an established combo for the ABs.
Lots of Whetton, Jones, Shelford.
Then combos of Whetton, Jones, Brewer, Brooke and Earl.
My favourite was always JC, Richie and Rodders.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
I don't really remember them being an established combo for the ABs.
Lots of Whetton, Jones, Shelford.
Then combos of Whetton, Jones, Brewer, Brooke and Earl.
My favourite was always JC, Richie and Rodders.
All kinda 7.5s ...
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
And there is definitely one other on the coaches radar, but don’t want to jinx it by calling it out early
Oh come on. Kemara is injured and JOC is ineligible isn't he? So that leaves Rihanna.
A few weeks ago an Aussie commentator mentioned Harkin was in the mix for AB selection. That would be interesting.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
And there is definitely one other on the coaches radar, but don’t want to jinx it by calling it out early
Oh come on. Kemara is injured and JOC is ineligible isn't he? So that leaves Rihanna.
A few weeks ago an Aussie commentator mentioned Harkin was in the mix for AB selection. That would be interesting.
Wouldn't take any notice of an Aussie commentator. Someone has a good half of rugby, or even starts in super they seem be in mix for test rugby.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
And there is definitely one other on the coaches radar, but don’t want to jinx it by calling it out early
Oh come on. Kemara is injured and JOC is ineligible isn't he? So that leaves Rihanna.
A few weeks ago an Aussie commentator mentioned Harkin was in the mix for AB selection. That would be interesting.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
And there is definitely one other on the coaches radar, but don’t want to jinx it by calling it out early
Oh come on. Kemara is injured and JOC is ineligible isn't he? So that leaves Rihanna.
A few weeks ago an Aussie commentator mentioned Harkin was in the mix for AB selection. That would be interesting.
Yeah he's going great guns and it's been a few years since the bourna produced an AB, but he still feels like a 10 playing 15 to me. Do get kinda BB vibes about him, so very keen to see how he develops, keeps it up and next year could be his shot.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life I think Roigard will start too, because I don't think Robertson has a good handle on how to use his bench effectively. Both good players as you say, I just see Roigard as a better option if we are chasing the game late because of his running, or if we are defending a lead because of his kicking.
Ratima's advantage is in speed and accuracy of passing and combination with McKenzie, and I think that is most important early when the opposition defensive line is at their fastest and most organised.Cam Roigard is just an infinitely better player though, who should play 65 minutes. If you don’t think Ratima is the impact man, then pick someone else.
I don't think Ratima is the impact man, that's why I'd pick someone else: Cam.
The saffas have given us a lesson in bench players not necessarily being worse than starters for years now.From what I've seen the Saffas are basically using heavy rotation of their starting line up to keep players fresh. Their players often get rotated at the 35 to 50 mark compared to ours at 60 - 70. The use of our bench was often poor last year. The mindset is completely different.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
From what I've seen the Saffas are basically using heavy rotation of their starting line up to keep players fresh. Their players often get rotated at the 35 to 50 mark compared to ours at 60 - 70. The use of our bench was often poor last year. The mindset is completely different.
This nullifies completly the whole "run them off their feet" gameplan which we still persist with and we haven't got a plan B in the back pocket to counter this. It's tactically brilliant (albiet with calculated risk should 2 backs get injured) that we haven't got an answer for.
In short the AB's need to find a way to make space on the field that doesn't rely on players being out of position due to fatigue because when you can basically sub on a whole new forward pack no-one is fatigued.
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The Chiefs did it very well against MP on the weekend. Targeted certain players to run the ball at, took them out of the turnover zone and cleaned out aggressively. They went more direct and things opened up. I still think this is the key as opposed to running wide early and often
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The Chiefs did it very well against MP on the weekend. Targeted certain players to run the ball at, took them out of the turnover zone and cleaned out aggressively. They went more direct and things opened up. I still think this is the key as opposed to running wide early and often
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
The Chiefs did it very well against MP on the weekend. Targeted certain players to run the ball at, took them out of the turnover zone and cleaned out aggressively. They went more direct and things opened up. I still think this is the key as opposed to running wide early and often
I woud much prefer a slower and more targetted approach to creating space (then moving at pace to exploit that space) rather than move the ball fast and wide at every oppertunity and hope space appears somewhere.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
The Chiefs did it very well against MP on the weekend. Targeted certain players to run the ball at, took them out of the turnover zone and cleaned out aggressively. They went more direct and things opened up. I still think this is the key as opposed to running wide early and often
I woud much prefer a slower and more targetted approach to creating space (then moving at pace to exploit that space) rather than move the ball fast and wide at every oppertunity and hope space appears somewhere.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
The Chiefs did it very well against MP on the weekend. Targeted certain players to run the ball at, took them out of the turnover zone and cleaned out aggressively. They went more direct and things opened up. I still think this is the key as opposed to running wide early and often
I woud much prefer a slower and more targetted approach to creating space (then moving at pace to exploit that space) rather than move the ball fast and wide at every oppertunity and hope space appears somewhere.
Be more direct. Makes it easier to control the breakdown and recycle, and less chance of turning the ball over
