All Blacks 2025
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There seems to be an assumption lately that Roigard and Ratima are fighting it out for starter and bench. Hotham will be very much in the mix and it would not surprise me in the slightest if he is the bench half.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Think he's said many times before, wants to play 13, not wing, it's been 5 years, I would trust him more than Proctor and Ennor or others come Test time, completely different level, been there and done it and still world class, and same with Jordie at 12, , that's the way I see it.
So by that logic, we won’t get to see Proctor start at 13 until Ioane leaves next year?
Right now based off form I would trust Proctor over Ioane, without a doubt. Ioane being world class is a stretch. You need to get these guys with less experience in at some point. No better time than now, 2 years away from a World Cup.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
Not sure why Christie is so vilified on here.
Slow service
Inconsistent passer
Poor option taker
Slow option taker
Struggles with messy ball
Has poor feel for the position
High error rate
Tries to do too muchThere's a few reasons
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
Not sure why Christie is so vilified on here.
Slow service
Inconsistent passer
Poor option taker
Slow option taker
Struggles with messy ball
Has poor feel for the position
High error rate
Tries to do too muchThere's a few reasons
Ginger
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't think they'll start either of Leicester or Frizell, but assuming they're eligible, it wouldn't be surprising to see either in the squad.
e.g. Jordie is nailed in IMO
Loving the disingenuous mental wrangling to compare a loyal player on a brief sabbatical to those that left years ago.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
Not sure why Christie is so vilified on here.
Slow service
Inconsistent passer
Poor option taker
Slow option taker
Struggles with messy ball
Has poor feel for the position
High error rate
Tries to do too muchThere's a few reasons
Ginger
Born in Scotland too. I'm not comfortable with the All Blacks poaching from a country that poaches like they do. Puts us one step lower than them on the shitheap.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
I don't really remember them being an established combo for the ABs.
Lots of Whetton, Jones, Shelford.
Then combos of Whetton, Jones, Brewer, Brooke and Earl.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
As others have pointed out, I think the only thing that type of gameplan achieved was exhausting our tight forwards.
We have to temper the headless chook stuff in favour of a little more control
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
I don't really remember them being an established combo for the ABs.
Lots of Whetton, Jones, Shelford.
Then combos of Whetton, Jones, Brewer, Brooke and Earl.
My favourite was always JC, Richie and Rodders.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
I don't really remember them being an established combo for the ABs.
Lots of Whetton, Jones, Shelford.
Then combos of Whetton, Jones, Brewer, Brooke and Earl.
My favourite was always JC, Richie and Rodders.
Yeah it was a tasty combo but at the end of the day we didn't win two world cups with them.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
I don't really remember them being an established combo for the ABs.
Lots of Whetton, Jones, Shelford.
Then combos of Whetton, Jones, Brewer, Brooke and Earl.
My favourite was always JC, Richie and Rodders.
Yeah it was a tasty combo but at the end of the day we didn't win two world cups with them.
Yeah both the Wellington boys breaking down at similar times didn’t help either
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
I don't really remember them being an established combo for the ABs.
Lots of Whetton, Jones, Shelford.
Then combos of Whetton, Jones, Brewer, Brooke and Earl.
My favourite was always JC, Richie and Rodders.
Yeah it was a tasty combo but at the end of the day we didn't win two world cups with them.
2007 hurt, that was to be their crowning glory
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
I don't really remember them being an established combo for the ABs.
Lots of Whetton, Jones, Shelford.
Then combos of Whetton, Jones, Brewer, Brooke and Earl.
My favourite was always JC, Richie and Rodders.
JC was a cult figure but him and big head over Kaino and Read? You're dreaming.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Think he's said many times before, wants to play 13, not wing, it's been 5 years, I would trust him more than Proctor and Ennor or others come Test time, completely different level, been there and done it and still world class, and same with Jordie at 12, , that's the way I see it.
I’m not sure what metrics you use to classify Ioane as being a ‘world class’ centre because he isn’t one. If he was then most of NZ wouldn’t be calling for him to be dropped.
Ioane could have been one of our greatest wings if he stayed there but he didn’t and time is ticking for him to perform in the position he chose.
I mean our best winger in the country has barely scored a try this super season, kind of says it all really. We need a centre that knows how to manipulate space and put our wingers away, the AB game will be better for it.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
I don't really remember them being an established combo for the ABs.
Lots of Whetton, Jones, Shelford.
Then combos of Whetton, Jones, Brewer, Brooke and Earl.
My favourite was always JC, Richie and Rodders.
JC was a cult figure but him and big head over Kaino and Read? You're dreaming.
I said "my favourite" not who was the best. JC was everyone's favourite player and Rodders wasn't far behind. Part of a damn good trio.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Think he's said many times before, wants to play 13, not wing, it's been 5 years, I would trust him more than Proctor and Ennor or others come Test time, completely different level, been there and done it and still world class, and same with Jordie at 12, , that's the way I see it.
I’m not sure what metrics you use to classify Ioane as being a ‘world class’ centre because he isn’t one. If he was then most of NZ wouldn’t be calling for him to be dropped.
He was one of our best at the WC. 2 poor Super seasons and a mediocre international one certainly make that seem like a long time ago, but it did happen.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
I said "my favourite" not who was the best. JC was everyone's favourite player and Rodders wasn't far behind. Part of a damn good trio.
That's fair enough.
