All Blacks 2025
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life I think Roigard will start too, because I don't think Robertson has a good handle on how to use his bench effectively. Both good players as you say, I just see Roigard as a better option if we are chasing the game late because of his running, or if we are defending a lead because of his kicking.
Ratima's advantage is in speed and accuracy of passing and combination with McKenzie, and I think that is most important early when the opposition defensive line is at their fastest and most organised.Cam Roigard is just an infinitely better player though, who should play 65 minutes. If you don’t think Ratima is the impact man, then pick someone else.
I don't think Ratima is the impact man, that's why I'd pick someone else: Cam.
The saffas have given us a lesson in bench players not necessarily being worse than starters for years now.From what I've seen the Saffas are basically using heavy rotation of their starting line up to keep players fresh. Their players often get rotated at the 35 to 50 mark compared to ours at 60 - 70. The use of our bench was often poor last year. The mindset is completely different.
Exactly this. There is no reason our subs have to come on at 65 minutes.
Funnily enough Roigard's whole overblown reputation on here - where not selecting him cost us the world cup - is based on him coming off the bench in one game in the 61st minute. -
I know this has been dismissed by some but with Proctor the best 13 by a country mile, what is stopping Reiko from being on the wing? He still would be one of NZs premier attack weapons and has much-needed experience. I can't see the downsides.
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Also probably one of the few who could keep up with that feisty young French winger bastard..
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
I know this has been dismissed by some but with Proctor the best 13 by a country mile, what is stopping Reiko from being on the wing? He still would be one of NZs premier attack weapons and has much-needed experience. I can't see the downsides.
This is exactly what I've said from the beginning. Why not just shift him back out to the wing? You could easily have him on the right wing.
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@Canes4life Think he's said many times before, wants to play 13, not wing, it's been 5 years, I would trust him more than Proctor and Ennor or others come Test time, completely different level, been there and done it and still world class, and same with Jordie at 12, , that's the way I see it.
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@hikastags said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 He's been playing midfield all year in the Top14 and been the best midfielder in the competition.
I thought Jordie was ?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@hikastags said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 He's been playing midfield all year in the Top14 and been the best midfielder in the competition.
I thought Jordie was ?
Jordie plays in URC?
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There seems to be an assumption lately that Roigard and Ratima are fighting it out for starter and bench. Hotham will be very much in the mix and it would not surprise me in the slightest if he is the bench half.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Think he's said many times before, wants to play 13, not wing, it's been 5 years, I would trust him more than Proctor and Ennor or others come Test time, completely different level, been there and done it and still world class, and same with Jordie at 12, , that's the way I see it.
So by that logic, we won’t get to see Proctor start at 13 until Ioane leaves next year?
Right now based off form I would trust Proctor over Ioane, without a doubt. Ioane being world class is a stretch. You need to get these guys with less experience in at some point. No better time than now, 2 years away from a World Cup.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
Not sure why Christie is so vilified on here.
Slow service
Inconsistent passer
Poor option taker
Slow option taker
Struggles with messy ball
Has poor feel for the position
High error rate
Tries to do too muchThere's a few reasons
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
Not sure why Christie is so vilified on here.
Slow service
Inconsistent passer
Poor option taker
Slow option taker
Struggles with messy ball
Has poor feel for the position
High error rate
Tries to do too muchThere's a few reasons
Ginger
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't think they'll start either of Leicester or Frizell, but assuming they're eligible, it wouldn't be surprising to see either in the squad.
e.g. Jordie is nailed in IMO
Loving the disingenuous mental wrangling to compare a loyal player on a brief sabbatical to those that left years ago.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
Not sure why Christie is so vilified on here.
Slow service
Inconsistent passer
Poor option taker
Slow option taker
Struggles with messy ball
Has poor feel for the position
High error rate
Tries to do too muchThere's a few reasons
Ginger
Born in Scotland too. I'm not comfortable with the All Blacks poaching from a country that poaches like they do. Puts us one step lower than them on the shitheap.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think its pretty clear that Razor and co have zero interest in trying to replicate the AB's best loose trio ever.
Michael Jones, Alan Whetton and Zinzan Brooke say hi.
I don't really remember them being an established combo for the ABs.
Lots of Whetton, Jones, Shelford.
Then combos of Whetton, Jones, Brewer, Brooke and Earl.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
As others have pointed out, I think the only thing that type of gameplan achieved was exhausting our tight forwards.
We have to temper the headless chook stuff in favour of a little more control
