All Blacks 2025
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What’s everyone’s thoughts on the back row. Normally seven are selected.
Savea ,Wallace ,Lakai, Jacobsen are certainties.
Then you have Dalton, Kirifi , Parker ,Blackadder ,Grace ,Lio Willie.
I think Blackadder is done. Would love to see Kirifi in there. Lio Willie has been great for crusaders. But does make a few mistakes.
I’d take Kirirfi , Parker and Lio Willie.@chchfanatic Savea, Sititi, Lakai, Parker, Jacobson Papalii, Blackadder to be selected.
Kirifi just misses out.
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If seven are picked, I'd like to see -
Savea (7,8)
Sititi (8,6)
Lakai (7,8)
Parker (6)
Finau (6)
Jacobsen (6,7,8)
and Kirifi (7)I don't know much about Lio-Wilie. Does he have enough size?
I suspect Kirifi's lack of versatility might make him the unlucky one.I think there has to be a real duel for 6.
Finau is playing better with Parker pressuring him and vice versa.Sotutu's play this season sort of vindicates Robertson's earlier prefernece for Sititi.
Sotutu hasn't responded to hs non-selection with venom. Or, shock horror, is only good going forward.
Papalii appeared on the outer toward the end of last season and hasn't shone for the Blue.@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
If seven are picked, I'd like to see -
Savea (7,8)
Sititi (8,6)
Lakai (7,8)
Parker (6)
Finau (6)
Jacobsen (6,7,8)
and Kirifi (7)I don't know much about Lio-Wilie. Does he have enough size?
I suspect Kirifi's lack of versatility might make him the unlucky one.I think there has to be a real duel for 6.
Finau is playing better with Parker pressuring him and vice versa.Sotutu's play this season sort of vindicates Robertson's earlier prefernece for Sititi.
Sotutu hasn't responded to hs non-selection with venom. Or, shock horror, is only good going forward.
Papalii appeared on the outer toward the end of last season and hasn't shone for the Blue.Like that mix Frank
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@chchfanatic Savea, Sititi, Lakai, Parker, Jacobson Papalii, Blackadder to be selected.
Kirifi just misses out.
@sparky Lakai, Sititi, Savea and Finau are certainties for me. In my mind Jacobson, Papalii and Blackadder are fighting it out for one spot. Maybe too if Razor feels sentimental.
In my mind Jacobson makes the cut because of his age and the comments Razor made last season about him having concrete shoulders. Papalii seemed to be on the outer, and Blackadder is a bit of an older much more injury prone player. Pick the younger, pretty experienced guy who's something in the mould of Sam Cane (good leader and folds fluffybunnies). And that's the selection done.
From there it comes down to the mix. Where's you've got three players you could pick for each position.
FInau (6)
Ardie (7,8)
Lakai (7,8)
Sititi (8,6)
Jacobson (6,8,7)Assuming six loose forwards (I reckon with ALB and Will Jordan injured we'll be picking five midfielders with an eye to Jordie Barrett being backup fullback cover).
Then I think it's down to Kirifi or Parker. With Lio Willie in distant third & either or Oli Haig or TK Howden looming in the background for the development player at six down the road. Given I don't feel Parker's our long term six, and Lio Willie is a bit small, I'd be going for Kirifi.
Though knowing Razoe he'll select Blackadder instead.
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Those plugging for big Jim, do you really think he will suit the way the ABs play? While he would bring some handy skills to the team, I have my doubts as to whether he would fit in. He tends to run sideways a fair bit, and with Dmac still prone to doing that from time to time, will we end up with a sideways problem? Ball playing is not his strength, as in putting others in space with his passing, so if he is paired with RI our midfield will not exactly be creative. And God help us if he is combined with BB.
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There seems to be an assumption lately that Roigard and Ratima are fighting it out for starter and bench. Hotham will be very much in the mix and it would not surprise me in the slightest if he is the bench half.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
There seems to be an assumption lately that Roigard and Ratima are fighting it out for starter and bench. Hotham will be very much in the mix and it would not surprise me in the slightest if he is the bench half.
Gotta have Ratima in the 23, excellent pass, the best support lines for a halfback in NZ and is Defensively strong as we have seen when stopping Tele'a in February and Lennox last night.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
There seems to be an assumption lately that Roigard and Ratima are fighting it out for starter and bench. Hotham will be very much in the mix and it would not surprise me in the slightest if he is the bench half.
Gotta have Ratima in the 23, excellent pass, the best support lines for a halfback in NZ and is Defensively strong as we have seen when stopping Tele'a in February and Lennox last night.
@Grooter The top two half backs are clearly Ratima and Roigard. Both good passers and runners and decent kickers.
Ratima edges it for me at the minute because of his strengths in terms of decision-making and defence. Ratima's combination with Sititi and DMac is also why I'd start him in Test 1 against the French.
Roigard's confidence and acceleration will help him get a lot of AB game time in 2025 though. Even though he makes the odd mistake, I love his enthusiasm and positivity.
In terms of the third half back slot, there's not much between Fakatava, Funaki and Hotham. Fakatava would be my pick because I see him as the most consistent and reliable of the three, as well as the one who will challenge defences the most.
But I think the selectors will go with Noah Hotham as they seem to see him as a long-term project.
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From the Opta stats:
Top 20 Loose Forward Players by Rucks_Per_80minutes (desc)
35.24 Dalton Papali'i
35.19 Ethan Blackadder
33.57 Sean Withy
33.12 Charlie Gamble
31.78 Corey Kellow
31.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
29.97 Caleb Delany
29.68 Tom Christie
29.13 Jahrome Brown
27.87 Ardie Savea
26.91 Luke Jacobson
26.56 Reed Prinsep
25.77 Peter Lakai
25.44 Kaylum Boshier
23.85 Cullen Grace
23.35 Simon Parker
22.39 Vaiolini Ekuasi
21.74 Oliver Haig
20.72 Christian Lio-Willie
20.28 Samipeni Finau -
@sparky Lakai, Sititi, Savea and Finau are certainties for me. In my mind Jacobson, Papalii and Blackadder are fighting it out for one spot. Maybe too if Razor feels sentimental.
In my mind Jacobson makes the cut because of his age and the comments Razor made last season about him having concrete shoulders. Papalii seemed to be on the outer, and Blackadder is a bit of an older much more injury prone player. Pick the younger, pretty experienced guy who's something in the mould of Sam Cane (good leader and folds fluffybunnies). And that's the selection done.
From there it comes down to the mix. Where's you've got three players you could pick for each position.
FInau (6)
Ardie (7,8)
Lakai (7,8)
Sititi (8,6)
Jacobson (6,8,7)Assuming six loose forwards (I reckon with ALB and Will Jordan injured we'll be picking five midfielders with an eye to Jordie Barrett being backup fullback cover).
Then I think it's down to Kirifi or Parker. With Lio Willie in distant third & either or Oli Haig or TK Howden looming in the background for the development player at six down the road. Given I don't feel Parker's our long term six, and Lio Willie is a bit small, I'd be going for Kirifi.
Though knowing Razoe he'll select Blackadder instead.
@handa457 said in All Blacks 2025:
FInau (6)
Ardie (7,8)
Lakai (7,8)
Sititi (8,6)
Jacobson (6,8,7)Quick, good workrate, but a pretty lightweight group.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
Where is Lakai's best position long term. Powerful but not tall or particularly quick.
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What’s everyone’s thoughts on the back row. Normally seven are selected.
Savea ,Wallace ,Lakai, Jacobsen are certainties.
Then you have Dalton, Kirifi , Parker ,Blackadder ,Grace ,Lio Willie.
I think Blackadder is done. Would love to see Kirifi in there. Lio Willie has been great for crusaders. But does make a few mistakes.
I’d take Kirirfi , Parker and Lio Willie.@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2025:
Jacobsen are certainties.
I'm sure he will be picked but there's no way Jacobson should be a certainty
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2025:
Jacobsen are certainties.
I'm sure he will be picked but there's no way Jacobson should be a certainty
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2025:
Jacobsen are certainties.
I'm sure he will be picked but there's no way Jacobson should be a certainty
I really can see him being the starting 6 and stated the reasons earlier in this thread.
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@Grooter The top two half backs are clearly Ratima and Roigard. Both good passers and runners and decent kickers.
Ratima edges it for me at the minute because of his strengths in terms of decision-making and defence. Ratima's combination with Sititi and DMac is also why I'd start him in Test 1 against the French.
Roigard's confidence and acceleration will help him get a lot of AB game time in 2025 though. Even though he makes the odd mistake, I love his enthusiasm and positivity.
In terms of the third half back slot, there's not much between Fakatava, Funaki and Hotham. Fakatava would be my pick because I see him as the most consistent and reliable of the three, as well as the one who will challenge defences the most.
But I think the selectors will go with Noah Hotham as they seem to see him as a long-term project.
@sparky yeah I suspect they will go for Ratima and Roigard, and I will be happy enough with that because Ratima did well last year. We're well stocked at 9.
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@sparky yeah I suspect they will go for Ratima and Roigard, and I will be happy enough with that because Ratima did well last year. We're well stocked at 9.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky yeah I suspect they will go for Ratima and Roigard, and I will be happy enough with that because Ratima did well last year. We're well stocked at 9.
Ratima had a run of poor form near the end of the year last year and lost his confidence - to put it kindly.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
So with Reiko Ioane back in form, who misses out in the selection for the ABs in midfield?
Proctor
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
So with Reiko Ioane back in form, who misses out in the selection for the ABs in midfield?
Proctor
ALB.
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I'd take Lam over Tavatavanawai. I think Lams game is better suited to test rugby. Both will probably miss out to Havili and Ennor.
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I'd take Lam over Tavatavanawai. I think Lams game is better suited to test rugby. Both will probably miss out to Havili and Ennor.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I'd take Lam over Tavatavanawai. I think Lams game is better suited to test rugby. Both will probably miss out to Havili and Ennor.
Lam is bigger and plays arguably in a more test-like Super team but with less turnovers.
How do/could they compare as a backup wing?
