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  • B brodean

    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:

    On speed of loosies, McCaw wasn't exactly a speed merchant either. More important than speed, particularly for a loosie playing the tighter role, is a big engine and great game awareness which allows them to get themselves in the right position more often than not.

    True, up to a point.

    Like someone said with height at the lineout - it's not an issue until it's a big issue. If you aren't fast, you start needing other players who are around you - and then that changes the balance of the trio. And if you aren't fast enough and you go up against players who are faster, that can be a real problem. Also, early McCaw was quick!

    We're looking at stats when they can be misleading - part of the issue with early Hooper and with Adam Thomson were they got to lots of places but didn't have a big impact when they did. Razor loves multi-position players, which means you dno't get specialists (by definition) ... and I think that is a real problem at Test level. EB is great in many ways, but he is not fast - seems to struggle to run at times - and I don't think is quick enough to be a 7 in Tests. Obviously Razor and Ryan disagree with me though.

    Ethan's not really fast enough to be an elite 7. He can obviously play there - he's spent quite a lot of this Super season there - but it's not his best position.

    He's a smallish 6. If they want a big 6 they'll pick Finau or Parker - maybe both.

    But, Ethan is a probably slightly bigger version of Liam Messam, who went alright.

    Messam had the pace of a back and was a lot harder hitter in defence.

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    @brodean Ethan's bigger and with more endurance.

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      @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

      @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

      One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

      and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

      Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

      Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

      64.84 Zach Gallagher
      58.89 Will Stodart
      56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
      54.02 Jamie Hannah
      53.5 Cameron Suafoa
      53.09 Fabian Holland
      52.83 Caleb Delany
      50.23 Josh Lord
      49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
      49.45 Josh Beehre
      48.99 Scott Barrett
      47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
      46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
      46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
      43.36 Allan Craig
      40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

      Based off theanalyst stats.

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      @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

      @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

      @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

      One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

      and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

      Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

      Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

      64.84 Zach Gallagher
      58.89 Will Stodart
      56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
      54.02 Jamie Hannah
      53.5 Cameron Suafoa
      53.09 Fabian Holland
      52.83 Caleb Delany
      50.23 Josh Lord
      49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
      49.45 Josh Beehre
      48.99 Scott Barrett
      47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
      46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
      46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
      43.36 Allan Craig
      40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

      Based off theanalyst stats.

      Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

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      • R reprobate

        @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

        @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

        @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

        One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

        and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

        Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

        Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

        64.84 Zach Gallagher
        58.89 Will Stodart
        56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
        54.02 Jamie Hannah
        53.5 Cameron Suafoa
        53.09 Fabian Holland
        52.83 Caleb Delany
        50.23 Josh Lord
        49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
        49.45 Josh Beehre
        48.99 Scott Barrett
        47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
        46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
        46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
        43.36 Allan Craig
        40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

        Based off theanalyst stats.

        Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

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        @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

        @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

        @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

        @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

        One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

        and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

        Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

        Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

        64.84 Zach Gallagher
        58.89 Will Stodart
        56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
        54.02 Jamie Hannah
        53.5 Cameron Suafoa
        53.09 Fabian Holland
        52.83 Caleb Delany
        50.23 Josh Lord
        49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
        49.45 Josh Beehre
        48.99 Scott Barrett
        47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
        46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
        46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
        43.36 Allan Craig
        40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

        Based off theanalyst stats.

        Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

        Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.

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          Holland's got a massive engine. Should be in the squad I think.

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          • ChrisC Chris

            @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

            @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

            @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

            @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

            One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

            and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

            Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

            Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

            64.84 Zach Gallagher
            58.89 Will Stodart
            56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
            54.02 Jamie Hannah
            53.5 Cameron Suafoa
            53.09 Fabian Holland
            52.83 Caleb Delany
            50.23 Josh Lord
            49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
            49.45 Josh Beehre
            48.99 Scott Barrett
            47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
            46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
            46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
            43.36 Allan Craig
            40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

            Based off theanalyst stats.

            Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

            Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.

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            #3242

            @Chris said in All Blacks 2025:

            @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

            @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

            @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

            @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

            One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

            and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

            Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

            Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

            64.84 Zach Gallagher
            58.89 Will Stodart
            56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
            54.02 Jamie Hannah
            53.5 Cameron Suafoa
            53.09 Fabian Holland
            52.83 Caleb Delany
            50.23 Josh Lord
            49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
            49.45 Josh Beehre
            48.99 Scott Barrett
            47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
            46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
            46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
            43.36 Allan Craig
            40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

            Based off theanalyst stats.

            Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

            Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.

            That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
            If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.

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            • R reprobate

              @Chris said in All Blacks 2025:

              @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

              @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

              @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

              @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

              One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

              and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

              Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

              Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

              64.84 Zach Gallagher
              58.89 Will Stodart
              56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
              54.02 Jamie Hannah
              53.5 Cameron Suafoa
              53.09 Fabian Holland
              52.83 Caleb Delany
              50.23 Josh Lord
              49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
              49.45 Josh Beehre
              48.99 Scott Barrett
              47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
              46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
              46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
              43.36 Allan Craig
              40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

              Based off theanalyst stats.

              Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

              Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.

              That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
              If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.

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              #3243

              @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

              @Chris said in All Blacks 2025:

              @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

              @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

              @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

              @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

              One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

              and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

              Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

              Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

              64.84 Zach Gallagher
              58.89 Will Stodart
              56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
              54.02 Jamie Hannah
              53.5 Cameron Suafoa
              53.09 Fabian Holland
              52.83 Caleb Delany
              50.23 Josh Lord
              49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
              49.45 Josh Beehre
              48.99 Scott Barrett
              47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
              46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
              46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
              43.36 Allan Craig
              40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

              Based off theanalyst stats.

              Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

              Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.

              That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
              If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.

              He's already 120kg isn't he? I think Holland should be there. Unfortunately it looks like Lord and Darry are going the way of Blackadder with their injuries.

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              • B brodean

                @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                @Chris said in All Blacks 2025:

                @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

                @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

                and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

                Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

                Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

                64.84 Zach Gallagher
                58.89 Will Stodart
                56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
                54.02 Jamie Hannah
                53.5 Cameron Suafoa
                53.09 Fabian Holland
                52.83 Caleb Delany
                50.23 Josh Lord
                49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
                49.45 Josh Beehre
                48.99 Scott Barrett
                47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
                46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
                46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
                43.36 Allan Craig
                40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

                Based off theanalyst stats.

                Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

                Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.

                That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
                If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.

                He's already 120kg isn't he? I think Holland should be there. Unfortunately it looks like Lord and Darry are going the way of Blackadder with their injuries.

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                @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                @Chris said in All Blacks 2025:

                @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

                @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

                and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

                Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

                Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

                64.84 Zach Gallagher
                58.89 Will Stodart
                56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
                54.02 Jamie Hannah
                53.5 Cameron Suafoa
                53.09 Fabian Holland
                52.83 Caleb Delany
                50.23 Josh Lord
                49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
                49.45 Josh Beehre
                48.99 Scott Barrett
                47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
                46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
                46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
                43.36 Allan Craig
                40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

                Based off theanalyst stats.

                Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

                Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.

                That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
                If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.

                He's already 120kg isn't he? I think Holland should be there. Unfortunately it looks like Lord and Darry are going the way of Blackadder with their injuries.

                Dunno, he just still looks a little on the lean side to me, and feel a few more kg would help in the collision areas at the top level. As good as Barrett is in all the ways you point out, if we look at our current lineout of him vaai savea sititi vs a retallick whitelock read kaino one, we are not close to the same class.

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                • R reprobate

                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @Chris said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                  One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

                  and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

                  Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

                  Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

                  64.84 Zach Gallagher
                  58.89 Will Stodart
                  56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
                  54.02 Jamie Hannah
                  53.5 Cameron Suafoa
                  53.09 Fabian Holland
                  52.83 Caleb Delany
                  50.23 Josh Lord
                  49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
                  49.45 Josh Beehre
                  48.99 Scott Barrett
                  47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
                  46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
                  46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
                  43.36 Allan Craig
                  40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

                  Based off theanalyst stats.

                  Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

                  Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.

                  That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
                  If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.

                  He's already 120kg isn't he? I think Holland should be there. Unfortunately it looks like Lord and Darry are going the way of Blackadder with their injuries.

                  Dunno, he just still looks a little on the lean side to me, and feel a few more kg would help in the collision areas at the top level. As good as Barrett is in all the ways you point out, if we look at our current lineout of him vaai savea sititi vs a retallick whitelock read kaino one, we are not close to the same class.

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                  @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @Chris said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                  One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

                  and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

                  Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

                  Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

                  64.84 Zach Gallagher
                  58.89 Will Stodart
                  56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
                  54.02 Jamie Hannah
                  53.5 Cameron Suafoa
                  53.09 Fabian Holland
                  52.83 Caleb Delany
                  50.23 Josh Lord
                  49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
                  49.45 Josh Beehre
                  48.99 Scott Barrett
                  47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
                  46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
                  46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
                  43.36 Allan Craig
                  40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

                  Based off theanalyst stats.

                  Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

                  Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.

                  That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
                  If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.

                  He's already 120kg isn't he? I think Holland should be there. Unfortunately it looks like Lord and Darry are going the way of Blackadder with their injuries.

                  Dunno, he just still looks a little on the lean side to me, and feel a few more kg would help in the collision areas at the top level. As good as Barrett is in all the ways you point out, if we look at our current lineout of him vaai savea sititi vs a retallick whitelock read kaino one, we are not close to the same class.

                  Holland is listed at 124kg. Which would make him the heaviest out of the AB locking options. Don't know if you want him going too much heavier. Potentially losing his mobility.

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                  • R reprobate

                    @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                    @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                    @Chris said in All Blacks 2025:

                    @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

                    @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

                    @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                    One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.

                    and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive

                    Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.

                    Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )

                    64.84 Zach Gallagher
                    58.89 Will Stodart
                    56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
                    54.02 Jamie Hannah
                    53.5 Cameron Suafoa
                    53.09 Fabian Holland
                    52.83 Caleb Delany
                    50.23 Josh Lord
                    49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
                    49.45 Josh Beehre
                    48.99 Scott Barrett
                    47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
                    46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
                    46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
                    43.36 Allan Craig
                    40.74 Mitchell Dunshea

                    Based off theanalyst stats.

                    Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?

                    Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.

                    That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
                    If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.

                    He's already 120kg isn't he? I think Holland should be there. Unfortunately it looks like Lord and Darry are going the way of Blackadder with their injuries.

                    Dunno, he just still looks a little on the lean side to me, and feel a few more kg would help in the collision areas at the top level. As good as Barrett is in all the ways you point out, if we look at our current lineout of him vaai savea sititi vs a retallick whitelock read kaino one, we are not close to the same class.

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                    @reprobate they are arguably the greatest collection of locks and loosies in the history of the game

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                      @brodean Ethan's bigger and with more endurance.

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                      @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

                      @brodean Ethan's bigger and with more endurance.

                      Huh? Messam was powerful and fit as anything.

                      Does the B in your name stand for Blackadder ?

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                        @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

                        @brodean Ethan's bigger and with more endurance.

                        Huh? Messam was powerful and fit as anything.

                        Does the B in your name stand for Blackadder ?

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                        @MN5 Boyd.

                        Ethan's run bronco times fractionally behind McCaw's.

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                          @reprobate they are arguably the greatest collection of locks and loosies in the history of the game

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                          @chucknz said in All Blacks 2025:

                          @reprobate they are arguably the greatest collection of locks and loosies in the history of the game

                          Sure, but I'm just talking about the lineout skills.

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                            @MN5 Boyd.

                            Ethan's run bronco times fractionally behind McCaw's.

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                            @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

                            @MN5 Boyd.

                            Ethan's run bronco times fractionally behind McCaw's.

                            He's not close to McCaw as a rugby player though.

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                              @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @MN5 Boyd.

                              Ethan's run bronco times fractionally behind McCaw's.

                              He's not close to McCaw as a rugby player though.

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                              @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @MN5 Boyd.

                              Ethan's run bronco times fractionally behind McCaw's.

                              He's not close to McCaw as a rugby player though.

                              If that's the bar then it's going to be a pretty small squad mate.

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                                EBs bronco time being close to McCaw's is about as useful as if Christie's pass was almost as fast as Smith's mid flight.

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                                  Holland feels the obvious addition to the squad, he's been a bright spot for the Landers. His defensive workrate has been pretty fucking good - 207 tackle attempts at 92% effectiveness, 10% dominant. He has hit nearly 250 rucks on attack at about 80% effectiveness. A total of 75 carries, 21% dominant.

                                  That stacks up very well against the other options.

                                  Vaai has 96 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 4% dominant. He has hit about 210 rucks on attack at about 90% effectiveness. A total of 106 carries, 31% dominant.

                                  Barrett has 154 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 8% dominant. He has hit about 220 rucks on attack at about 85% effectiveness. A total of 78 carries, 20% dominant.

                                  Certainly seems that the boy has a motor and big dominant tackler around the ruck sounds really nice, alongside his line out work.

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                                    Holland feels the obvious addition to the squad, he's been a bright spot for the Landers. His defensive workrate has been pretty fucking good - 207 tackle attempts at 92% effectiveness, 10% dominant. He has hit nearly 250 rucks on attack at about 80% effectiveness. A total of 75 carries, 21% dominant.

                                    That stacks up very well against the other options.

                                    Vaai has 96 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 4% dominant. He has hit about 210 rucks on attack at about 90% effectiveness. A total of 106 carries, 31% dominant.

                                    Barrett has 154 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 8% dominant. He has hit about 220 rucks on attack at about 85% effectiveness. A total of 78 carries, 20% dominant.

                                    Certainly seems that the boy has a motor and big dominant tackler around the ruck sounds really nice, alongside his line out work.

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                                    @gt12 those other guys picked up some of their stats against the highlanders too, Holland didn't get that opportunity.

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                                      Holland feels the obvious addition to the squad, he's been a bright spot for the Landers. His defensive workrate has been pretty fucking good - 207 tackle attempts at 92% effectiveness, 10% dominant. He has hit nearly 250 rucks on attack at about 80% effectiveness. A total of 75 carries, 21% dominant.

                                      That stacks up very well against the other options.

                                      Vaai has 96 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 4% dominant. He has hit about 210 rucks on attack at about 90% effectiveness. A total of 106 carries, 31% dominant.

                                      Barrett has 154 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 8% dominant. He has hit about 220 rucks on attack at about 85% effectiveness. A total of 78 carries, 20% dominant.

                                      Certainly seems that the boy has a motor and big dominant tackler around the ruck sounds really nice, alongside his line out work.

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                                      @gt12 Barrett has certainly got more active in the latter half of the season. I do think that his program was a little different given what is to come later this year for the AB captain. Not too dissimilar to what I saw from McCaw and Read previously with how they built during super rugby.

                                      I think the coaches will keep the faith with Vaa’i but I would really like to see Barrett and Holland get a couple of starts together.

                                      If they go with 5 locks then add Tuipoluto and Darry to above 3.

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                                        @gt12 Barrett has certainly got more active in the latter half of the season. I do think that his program was a little different given what is to come later this year for the AB captain. Not too dissimilar to what I saw from McCaw and Read previously with how they built during super rugby.

                                        I think the coaches will keep the faith with Vaa’i but I would really like to see Barrett and Holland get a couple of starts together.

                                        If they go with 5 locks then add Tuipoluto and Darry to above 3.

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                                        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        I think the coaches will keep the faith with Vaa’i but I would really like to see Barrett and Holland get a couple of starts together.

                                        Who would be your lineout caller in a Barrett-Holland combination? As far as I'm aware, Dunshea is the regular caller at the Highlanders and Barrett really struggled with his calls early in the 2024 Test season. The lineout against England was, at times, comical and Barrett even had the benefit of his long-term hooker Taylor throwing. It would make me nervous to see him restored as the caller.

                                        The AB lineout only improved in my eyes when Vaa'i became the primary caller. It's what's made him such an integral part of the team during the second half of the 2024 Test season.

                                        (I'm aware that Vaa'i is the Chiefs caller and that they've struggled this season. To me, it indicates that Vaa'i is good at Test preparation but struggles more with the spontaneous, week-to-week prep of Super Rugby. At least, that's my hypothesis.)

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                                          Not buying the criticisms of Scott Barrett.
                                          He was the best lock we had in 2023, being seen as more valuable than Whitelock and Retallick.
                                          I am confident he will produce good form for the ABs this year.

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