All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years
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I like Jacobson, but position is a real problem for me.
He isn't fast enough or a good enough support runner, or quite good enough over the ball to be my ideal 7. I think Savea and Kirifi are clear as my 1&2 there.
At 8, he isn't the ball runner I want. Sotutu, Sititi, Lakai, Lio-Willie, Savea are all better.
At 6, he isn't the lineout target I'd like - which can be mitigated if they pick Sotutu. But if we go down the workrate 6 path, then he's not as involved as EB or DP. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
I like Jacobson, but position is a real problem for me.
He isn't fast enough or a good enough support runner, or quite good enough over the ball to be my ideal 7. I think Savea and Kirifi are clear as my 1&2 there.
At 8, he isn't the ball runner I want. Sotutu, Sititi, Lakai, Lio-Willie, Savea are all better.
At 6, he isn't the lineout target I'd like - which can be mitigated if they pick Sotutu. But if we go down the workrate 6 path, then he's not as involved as EB or DP.he is a big hitter though isn't he ? hardest shoulder in super Rugby or some nonsense like that.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
I like Jacobson, but position is a real problem for me.
He isn't fast enough or a good enough support runner, or quite good enough over the ball to be my ideal 7. I think Savea and Kirifi are clear as my 1&2 there.
At 8, he isn't the ball runner I want. Sotutu, Sititi, Lakai, Lio-Willie, Savea are all better.
At 6, he isn't the lineout target I'd like - which can be mitigated if they pick Sotutu. But if we go down the workrate 6 path, then he's not as involved as EB or DP.he is a big hitter though isn't he ? hardest shoulder in super Rugby or some nonsense like that.
Yep, he's a good, accurate, hard tackler.
I was surprised to see that he hasn't actually make a lot of what are classed as dominant tackles this year though, I assume because he doesn't get up quick and hit people behind the advantage line? Less than Parker, Finau, Blackadder, Savea, Lakai, Withy, Kirifi etc. Dalton is right down the list too. Probably only shows that stats aren't everything.
Most of those guys (including DP but not Finau or Parker) have made more tackles per minute than Jacobson too. -
@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
On attack Papali'i and Jacobson are both better breakdown operators than Savea or Kirifi.
Yep, and that I think is the main argument in favour of one of DP/LJ/EB starting - assuming Savea is a given at 7 or 8, we need someone to hit rucks and secure our ball.
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hearing he is def in the frame, but has that injury that will likely have him play no part in the super finals, even if the Chiefs go all the way.
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@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Flanders certainly has the skills to hang out on the wing all day.
Flanders to Finau: "you merely adopted the wing. I was born on the wing"
Most tackles and most carries for the Canes vs Brumbies wasn't it?
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Flanders certainly has the skills to hang out on the wing all day.
Flanders to Finau: "you merely adopted the wing. I was born on the wing"
Most tackles and most carries for the Canes vs Brumbies wasn't it?
Don't normally see wingers with those stats...It was a good shift but he does play very wide and he doesn't hit a lot of rucks. Not sure he's the answer if Savea and Sititi are starting.
In the end that kind of contribution didn't win them the game.
The Brumbies dominated the breakdown. They won 6 turnovers and the Canes won 0.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Luke Jacobson has never been given a proper starting run for the All Blacks
Also, he hasn't started that often in his better positions (8 or 7). I don't think LJ is a 6, and he never plays there for the Chiefs.
As you know, given the way the Chiefs play and our options I think he’s clearly the best 7 we have, and at international level the ABs don’t really attack the ball at the breakdown, so he’s arguably a good Cane replacement. Paps and Blackadder are pretty similar players.
I think LJ had a chance to be the long term AB8 but that injury fucked everything up. With Sititi coming, I cant see Jacobson playing 8 even for the Chiefs let along for the ABs.
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@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Flanders certainly has the skills to hang out on the wing all day.
Flanders to Finau: "you merely adopted the wing. I was born on the wing"
Most tackles and most carries for the Canes vs Brumbies wasn't it?
Don't normally see wingers with those stats...It was a good shift but he does play very wide and he doesn't hit a lot of rucks. Not sure he's the answer if Savea and Sititi are starting.
In the end that kind of contribution didn't win them the game.
The Brumbies dominated the breakdown. They won 6 turnovers and the Canes won 0.
I'm in no way sure he's the answer to anything bro, just another interesting option. I do wish you would stop it with the writing off individual players contributions if their team doesn't win though. Aaron Smith wasn't poor despite the Highlanders being shit most of the time.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Luke Jacobson has never been given a proper starting run for the All Blacks
Also, he hasn't started that often in his better positions (8 or 7). I don't think LJ is a 6, and he never plays there for the Chiefs.
As you know, given the way the Chiefs play and our options I think he’s clearly the best 7 we have, and at international level the ABs don’t really attack the ball at the breakdown, so he’s arguably a good Cane replacement. Paps and Blackadder are pretty similar players.
He's undoubtedly the best Cane replacement we have, but I'm not at all sure that like for like is our best option.
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@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Flanders certainly has the skills to hang out on the wing all day.
Flanders to Finau: "you merely adopted the wing. I was born on the wing"
Most tackles and most carries for the Canes vs Brumbies wasn't it?
Don't normally see wingers with those stats...It was a good shift but he does play very wide and he doesn't hit a lot of rucks. Not sure he's the answer if Savea and Sititi are starting.
In the end that kind of contribution didn't win them the game.
The Brumbies dominated the breakdown. They won 6 turnovers and the Canes won 0.
Not sure we are looking for a 6 to attack the ball, they can’t do everything.
Hitting attacking rucks as a cleaner (and therefore preventing turnovers) feels very much like what we may be looking for, but team stats won’t help - a guy cant be responsible if his position in the attack strategy is two wide and the turnovers are coming because of poor cleans by others.
Similarly, that lack of turnovers probably speaks to how well the Brumbies prevented Kirifi from getting good opportunities. He’s apparently is the most efficient (turnovers / penalties) in Super rugby, so if he isn’t getting opportunities, the Brumbies are doing a good job cleaning and poorer ball attackers may be even more likely to concede penalties.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@gt12 said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Luke Jacobson has never been given a proper starting run for the All Blacks
Also, he hasn't started that often in his better positions (8 or 7). I don't think LJ is a 6, and he never plays there for the Chiefs.
As you know, given the way the Chiefs play and our options I think he’s clearly the best 7 we have, and at international level the ABs don’t really attack the ball at the breakdown, so he’s arguably a good Cane replacement. Paps and Blackadder are pretty similar players.
He's undoubtedly the best Cane replacement we have, but I'm not at all sure that like for like is our best option.
It really depends on what kind of game we’ll play. If we want to replicate the Chiefs quick ball , high movement game plan then we should pick players who meet those needs. Right now I honestly cant really say with any confidence what Razor et al are trying to do out there, which seems to be half the problem.
Set game plan, pick accordingly.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Flanders certainly has the skills to hang out on the wing all day.
Flanders to Finau: "you merely adopted the wing. I was born on the wing"
Most tackles and most carries for the Canes vs Brumbies wasn't it?
Don't normally see wingers with those stats...It was a good shift but he does play very wide and he doesn't hit a lot of rucks. Not sure he's the answer if Savea and Sititi are starting.
In the end that kind of contribution didn't win them the game.
The Brumbies dominated the breakdown. They won 6 turnovers and the Canes won 0.
I'm in no way sure he's the answer to anything bro, just another interesting option. I do wish you would stop it with the writing off individual players contributions if their team doesn't win though. Aaron Smith wasn't poor despite the Highlanders being shit most of the time.
Look I dont mean to write off his contribution. It was good but it seems to me that maybe he and the Canes loosies didnt put enough focus on the attacking breakdown.
Btw Razor and co wrote off Sotutu's individual contribution for an entire season in a winning team last year. I guess although his contribution was great for the Blues it wasn't the kind of contribution they thought they needed for the ABs at test level.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Right now I honestly cant really say with any confidence what Razor et al are trying to do out there, which seems to be half the problem
it's more for the main thread, but my main hope for this year is, by the time the Northern Tour is completed, that this AB side has a clear identity.
Every other top national side has a very defined manner in which they play. What's cool is, they are all totally different. But the main thing is, you know what they are going to try to do, and it's up to you to stop it.I have no fucking clue what our plan is, what our structure is, how we intend to generate points or apply pressure to the opposition weak spots. For most of last year it looked like "have DMac touch the ball 100 times and hope he creates something" until it suddenly wasn't.
