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  • BonesB Bones

    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

    For some weird reason, he seems to agree.

    He says, before razor has even selected his squad.

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    Victor Meldrew
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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

    For some weird reason, he seems to agree.

    He says, before razor has even selected his squad.

    From the article.......

    He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.

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    • B brodean

      @cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:

      If only the 2025 SR's performances are taken into account, then certainties like Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Rieko Ioane and Patrick Tuipolutu shouldn't be in the squad. The only Blues players deserving a selection are AJ Lam and Dalton Papali'i.

      Who would you pick over Tuipulotu at Lock? His form during the last 3 weeks has been very good - when it counts.

      Blues have 100% success rate in scrum and restarts in the last 3 games. They comfortably won the most lineouts in the first 2 games and won 100% of lineouts off their own ball against the Crusaders compared to the Crusaders 75%.

      On what basis do you think Tuipolotu shouldn't be in the squad?

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      @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

      @cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:

      If only the 2025 SR's performances are taken into account, then certainties like Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Rieko Ioane and Patrick Tuipolutu shouldn't be in the squad. The only Blues players deserving a selection are AJ Lam and Dalton Papali'i.

      Who would you pick over Tuipulotu at Lock? His form during the last 3 weeks has been very good - when it counts.

      Blues have 100% success rate in scrum and restarts in the last 3 games. They comfortably won the most lineouts in the first 2 games and won 100% of lineouts off their own ball against the Crusaders compared to the Crusaders 75%.

      On what basis do you think Tuipolotu shouldn't be in the squad?

      He will be in the squad, that's for sure. His efforts in the last games were far better but the Blues scrum was back pedalling against the Crusaders during the semi final. That may be Ta'avao's and Lay's fault but not exclusively. Tuipolutu's LO work has been consistently efficient though.
      Concerning Beehre, I think he had a better overall season than Tuipolutu. His future looks bright but I think he won't be selected before the EOYT or next year.
      As far as locks are concerned, Scott Barrett did not have a great season so far. He has been very anonymous in the first two thirds of the SR. On pure form, Shalfoon should be selected and not him. Of course, this won't happen. My post was just a thought about selection criterias and these will probably not take the SR performances into account but will rely essentially on experience and possibly Crusaders favoritism.

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        @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

        @cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:

        If only the 2025 SR's performances are taken into account, then certainties like Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Rieko Ioane and Patrick Tuipolutu shouldn't be in the squad. The only Blues players deserving a selection are AJ Lam and Dalton Papali'i.

        Who would you pick over Tuipulotu at Lock? His form during the last 3 weeks has been very good - when it counts.

        Blues have 100% success rate in scrum and restarts in the last 3 games. They comfortably won the most lineouts in the first 2 games and won 100% of lineouts off their own ball against the Crusaders compared to the Crusaders 75%.

        On what basis do you think Tuipolotu shouldn't be in the squad?

        He will be in the squad, that's for sure. His efforts in the last games were far better but the Blues scrum was back pedalling against the Crusaders during the semi final. That may be Ta'avao's and Lay's fault but not exclusively. Tuipolutu's LO work has been consistently efficient though.
        Concerning Beehre, I think he had a better overall season than Tuipolutu. His future looks bright but I think he won't be selected before the EOYT or next year.
        As far as locks are concerned, Scott Barrett did not have a great season so far. He has been very anonymous in the first two thirds of the SR. On pure form, Shalfoon should be selected and not him. Of course, this won't happen. My post was just a thought about selection criterias and these will probably not take the SR performances into account but will rely essentially on experience and possibly Crusaders favoritism.

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        @cgrant

        There was no dominance of any kind from the Crusaders scrum when the Blues had the full quota of forwards and props on the field.

        The Blues had two yellow cards in the forwards and had two hookers in the frontrow at one stage if you didn't notice. That was the only time the Crusaders looked like they were getting any ascendancy but mostly the scrum just went sideways in those passages of play.

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        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

          @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

          For some weird reason, he seems to agree.

          He says, before razor has even selected his squad.

          From the article.......

          He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.

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          kiwiinmelb
          wrote on last edited by kiwiinmelb
          #3521

          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

          @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

          For some weird reason, he seems to agree.

          He says, before razor has even selected his squad.

          From the article.......

          He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.

          I like that from razor , to be openly transparent like that is a positive imo .

          Coaches can be a secretive protective bunch

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          • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

            @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

            @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

            @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

            For some weird reason, he seems to agree.

            He says, before razor has even selected his squad.

            From the article.......

            He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.

            I like that from razor , to be openly transparent like that is a positive imo .

            Coaches can be a secretive protective bunch

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            Victor Meldrew
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            #3522

            @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:

            @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

            @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

            @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

            For some weird reason, he seems to agree.

            He says, before razor has even selected his squad.

            From the article.......

            He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.

            I like that from razor , to be openly transparent like that is a positive imo .

            Coaches can be a secretive protective bunch

            Yeah, it's a positive statement and hopefully we'll see a bit more adventurous stuff this year.

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              Kiwiwomble
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              #3523

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              seeing Savea taking up a sabbatical next season, i know there has been some chat in the MP thread but im more interesting in any effect on the AB's

              do we think it would be better for sabbaticals to only be taken in the two years after a world cup, therefore playing in NZ for the two super seasons before a world cup and synchronising with the other that would maker a WRC squad...and in those years we see more young people coming through in what could be considered the rebuilt years after a WRC

              OR...do we think taking a sabbatical the year before a world cup is a good thing, less punishing than NZ super derbies

              or, doesnt matter?

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                #3524

                oh good, we get the shit version of Ardie playing 80 mins every week in Black next year as well. Every one seems to battle coming back from these, and we have very real evidence of Savea last friggen year.

                Who okayed a 2nd one in 3 seasons? idiotic.

                Grow a pair NZRU.

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                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                  oh good, we get the shit version of Ardie playing 80 mins every week in Black next year as well. Every one seems to battle coming back from these, and we have very real evidence of Savea last friggen year.

                  Who okayed a 2nd one in 3 seasons? idiotic.

                  Grow a pair NZRU.

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                  #3525

                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:

                  oh good, we get the shit version of Ardie playing 80 mins every week in Black next year as well. Every one seems to battle coming back from these, and we have very real evidence of Savea last friggen year.

                  Who okayed a 2nd one in 3 seasons? idiotic.

                  Grow a pair NZRU.

                  If the RU won't grow a pair, then Razor has to. Otherwise we will waste another year. It's a good reason to try AS from the bench at least a couple of times this season

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                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                    alt text

                    seeing Savea taking up a sabbatical next season, i know there has been some chat in the MP thread but im more interesting in any effect on the AB's

                    do we think it would be better for sabbaticals to only be taken in the two years after a world cup, therefore playing in NZ for the two super seasons before a world cup and synchronising with the other that would maker a WRC squad...and in those years we see more young people coming through in what could be considered the rebuilt years after a WRC

                    OR...do we think taking a sabbatical the year before a world cup is a good thing, less punishing than NZ super derbies

                    or, doesnt matter?

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                    @Kiwiwomble
                    That's taking the piss.
                    Players should only be allowed one sabbatical.

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                      zedsdeadbaby
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                      #3527

                      Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2

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                        After playing for MP instead of the Canes it’s almost like Ardie is taking a sabbatical within a sabbatical

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                        • MN5M MN5

                          After playing for MP instead of the Canes it’s almost like Ardie is taking a sabbatical within a sabbatical

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                          canefan
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                          @MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:

                          After playing for MP instead of the Canes it’s almost like Ardie is taking a sabbatical within a sabbatical

                          We should use it as an excuse to try different lineups with Ardie on the bench

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                          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                            @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

                            @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                            For some weird reason, he seems to agree.

                            He says, before razor has even selected his squad.

                            From the article.......

                            He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.

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                            #3530

                            @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                            @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

                            @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                            For some weird reason, he seems to agree.

                            He says, before razor has even selected his squad.

                            From the article.......

                            He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.

                            Does that mean he'll pick Fihaki on a hunch?

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                            • boobooB booboo

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                              For some weird reason, he seems to agree.

                              He says, before razor has even selected his squad.

                              From the article.......

                              He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.

                              Does that mean he'll pick Fihaki on a hunch?

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                              canefan
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                              #3531

                              @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                              For some weird reason, he seems to agree.

                              He says, before razor has even selected his squad.

                              From the article.......

                              He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.

                              Does that mean he'll pick Fihaki on a hunch?

                              Riddle: How many Crusaders can you fit in the ABs team bus? Ugh

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                              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                oh good, we get the shit version of Ardie playing 80 mins every week in Black next year as well. Every one seems to battle coming back from these, and we have very real evidence of Savea last friggen year.

                                Who okayed a 2nd one in 3 seasons? idiotic.

                                Grow a pair NZRU.

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                                booboo
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                                #3532

                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:

                                oh good, we get the shit version of Ardie playing 80 mins every week in Black next year as well. Every one seems to battle coming back from these, and we have very real evidence of Savea last friggen year.

                                Who okayed a 2nd one in 3 seasons? idiotic.

                                Grow a pair NZRU.

                                My immediate reaction too.

                                Was nearly a #booboo

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                                • canefanC canefan

                                  @booboo said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  For some weird reason, he seems to agree.

                                  He says, before razor has even selected his squad.

                                  From the article.......

                                  He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.

                                  Does that mean he'll pick Fihaki on a hunch?

                                  Riddle: How many Crusaders can you fit in the ABs team bus? Ugh

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                                  @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  Riddle: How many Crusaders can you fit in the ABs team bus? Ugh

                                  Not sure but for those tight spaces Ethan can be easily collapsed.

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                                  • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

                                    Riddle: How many Crusaders can you fit in the ABs team bus? Ugh

                                    Not sure but for those tight spaces Ethan can be easily collapsed.

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                                    canefan
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                                    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

                                    Riddle: How many Crusaders can you fit in the ABs team bus? Ugh

                                    Not sure but for those tight spaces Ethan can be easily collapsed.

                                    The suitcase joke belonged to Daddy's friend. Suitbag maybe?

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                                    • Z zedsdeadbaby

                                      Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2

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                                      @zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2

                                      Then "thanks for your service". He's not the 🐐 and considering his form last year, we'd be better off without him.

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                                      • antipodeanA antipodean

                                        @zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2

                                        Then "thanks for your service". He's not the 🐐 and considering his form last year, we'd be better off without him.

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                                        Bones
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                                        @antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2

                                        Then "thanks for your service". He's not the 🐐 and considering his form last year, we'd be better off without him.

                                        He's bloody good and worth a shit load to NZ rugby. I'm more than ok with loyal servants getting "extras" if it gets them sticking around for over a decade (especially if it gets them playing out their career in NZ).

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                                          I see it as risky for Ardie , especially if Wallace makes the 8 jersey his .Ardie hasn’t established himself as a test 7 yet ( he may do this year ) even if the majority think that’s his best position, it hasn’t really been proven at the highest level on the park yet .

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