All Blacks 2025
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seeing Savea taking up a sabbatical next season, i know there has been some chat in the MP thread but im more interesting in any effect on the AB's
do we think it would be better for sabbaticals to only be taken in the two years after a world cup, therefore playing in NZ for the two super seasons before a world cup and synchronising with the other that would maker a WRC squad...and in those years we see more young people coming through in what could be considered the rebuilt years after a WRC
OR...do we think taking a sabbatical the year before a world cup is a good thing, less punishing than NZ super derbies
or, doesnt matter?
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oh good, we get the shit version of Ardie playing 80 mins every week in Black next year as well. Every one seems to battle coming back from these, and we have very real evidence of Savea last friggen year.
Who okayed a 2nd one in 3 seasons? idiotic.
Grow a pair NZRU.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
oh good, we get the shit version of Ardie playing 80 mins every week in Black next year as well. Every one seems to battle coming back from these, and we have very real evidence of Savea last friggen year.
Who okayed a 2nd one in 3 seasons? idiotic.
Grow a pair NZRU.
If the RU won't grow a pair, then Razor has to. Otherwise we will waste another year. It's a good reason to try AS from the bench at least a couple of times this season
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@Kiwiwomble
That's taking the piss.
Players should only be allowed one sabbatical. -
Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
For some weird reason, he seems to agree.
He says, before razor has even selected his squad.
From the article.......
He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.
Does that mean he'll pick Fihaki on a hunch?
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
For some weird reason, he seems to agree.
He says, before razor has even selected his squad.
From the article.......
He admits at times last year he might have been “too conservative”, and that he could have been “braver”, with approach and selections.
Does that mean he'll pick Fihaki on a hunch?
Riddle: How many Crusaders can you fit in the ABs team bus? Ugh
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
oh good, we get the shit version of Ardie playing 80 mins every week in Black next year as well. Every one seems to battle coming back from these, and we have very real evidence of Savea last friggen year.
Who okayed a 2nd one in 3 seasons? idiotic.
Grow a pair NZRU.
My immediate reaction too.
Was nearly a #booboo
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Riddle: How many Crusaders can you fit in the ABs team bus? Ugh
Not sure but for those tight spaces Ethan can be easily collapsed.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Riddle: How many Crusaders can you fit in the ABs team bus? Ugh
Not sure but for those tight spaces Ethan can be easily collapsed.
The suitcase joke belonged to Daddy's friend. Suitbag maybe?
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@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2
Then "thanks for your service". He's not the
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2
Then "thanks for your service". He's not the
and considering his form last year, we'd be better off without him.He's bloody good and worth a shit load to NZ rugby. I'm more than ok with loyal servants getting "extras" if it gets them sticking around for over a decade (especially if it gets them playing out their career in NZ).
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I see it as risky for Ardie , especially if Wallace makes the 8 jersey his .Ardie hasn’t established himself as a test 7 yet ( he may do this year ) even if the majority think that’s his best position, it hasn’t really been proven at the highest level on the park yet .
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2
Then "thanks for your service". He's not the
and considering his form last year, we'd be better off without him.He's bloody good and worth a shit load to NZ rugby. I'm more than ok with loyal servants getting "extras" if it gets them sticking around for over a decade (especially if it gets them playing out their career in NZ).
He wasn't bloody good after his first stint in Japan which is my primary concern. And I find it difficult to use the term loyal when someone abandons our competition for half the RWC cycle - playing in the NH isn't what I consider "in NZ".
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@antipodean so he won't play in NZ at all, and especially after next year? He was completely worthless to NZ rugby since he went off shore?
I understand you dislike the guy, but it's impossible to argue his almost decade of service means nothing, he's done nothing for rugby in NZ and isn't a massive figure.
If you'd prefer senior ABs who still have a lot to offer to fuck off, then I'd wager you're in quite the minority.
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@Bones any NZ player plying their trade outside of NZ is by definition not giving any value to NZ.
I'm also on record about his form this year and I've routinely said he should be in the 23 as a super sub so I'm not sure where the "don't like the guy" shit comes from.
And for the record I've never been a fan of sabbaticals. Ex-All Blacks can make money after their representative career is over.
Quite frankly I'm forming the opinion that some long standing All Blacks are hanging around too long thanks in part to this sort of accommodation - impacting new All Blacks' development and our competitiveness.
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I'm actually fine with it.
Means he is still available to the AB's if selected.
I don't care who he plays for next super year, after he left the Canes anyway. Play for Moana or some team in Japan, better than the alternative which is packing his bags and leaving and being unavailable.
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Who is Ardie Savea's agent? They did a great job of absolutely screwing NZR over and Ardie gets huge big-ups from the NZ media every week when he was mediocre for the ABs last year and his team this year while doing better than expected still missed out on the Super Play Offs and got their arses kicked by the Chiefs.
Shannon Frizzell is another player whose agent does an amazing job. Jeff Wilson bangs about how what great news a Frizzell return would be so often that I almost suspect he's on commission.
