All Blacks 2025
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Discussion of Kirifi ahead of Papalii, suggesting that Paps may have reached his peak and they want to see someone else (is @chchfanatic actually Lashes?)
In this part, btw, it did seem that this was his analysis and not necessarily sauce.
Papali'i's problem is he doesn't have a natural position so he just ends up being another of these hybrid loosies
Throw in how Papalii pretty much got dropped for the second half of the last test season and it makes sense.
I remember Papali'i got a thumb injury so they put Cane in against South Africa. Then Papali'i went back to Counties to get some game time, and did a hammy. So there is a bit of ambiguity over whether he was dropped.
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Meant to say above - Casey's preferred loose forward quartet is apparently 6.Sititi, 7. Kirifi, 8. Savea with Jacobson on the bench.
With our preferred locks apparently being the smallish Scooter and Vaa'i - we're going hard on small ball?
I certainly hope not!!!
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Cheers @george33
At 6:15 here:
According to this, Hoskins was asked to attend and said "I'm all good thanks, I'll chill".
This, coupled with his response after missing out on the ABs last year just shows the maturity of Hoskins.
Not someone I’d like in the ABs tbh, doesn’t matter how well he’s playing.
In other news, I’m really hoping to see Kirifi get a shot, he’s been massive this year and arguably the most consistent 7 in the comp alongside Tizzano and Savea.
I also don’t know where Tavatavanawai’s best position will be at test level but imagine bringing him on with 25 mins to go to fuck shit up.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Cheers @george33
At 6:15 here:
According to this, Hoskins was asked to attend and said "I'm all good thanks, I'll chill".
This, coupled with his response after missing out on the ABs last year just shows the maturity of Hoskins.
Not someone I’d like in the ABs tbh, doesn’t matter how well he’s playing.
In other news, I’m really hoping to see Kirifi get a shot, he’s been massive this year and arguably the most consistent 7 in the comp alongside Tizzano and Savea.
I also don’t know where Tavatavanawai’s best position will be at test level but imagine bringing him on with 25 mins to go to fuck shit up.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Cheers @george33
At 6:15 here:
According to this, Hoskins was asked to attend and said "I'm all good thanks, I'll chill".
This, coupled with his response after missing out on the ABs last year just shows the maturity of Hoskins.
Not someone I’d like in the ABs tbh, doesn’t matter how well he’s playing.
That said, he probably has a right to be a little bit skittish when it comes to the All Black coaches. He doesn't want to be another guy who gets a few seconds in the black jersey and gets ruled out from playing test footy for someone else. After being passed over so many times I kind of wonder why he's still here
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Cheers @george33
At 6:15 here:
According to this, Hoskins was asked to attend and said "I'm all good thanks, I'll chill".
This, coupled with his response after missing out on the ABs last year just shows the maturity of Hoskins.
Not someone I’d like in the ABs tbh, doesn’t matter how well he’s playing.
That said, he probably has a right to be a little bit skittish when it comes to the All Black coaches. He doesn't want to be another guy who gets a few seconds in the black jersey and gets ruled out from playing test footy for someone else. After being passed over so many times I kind of wonder why he's still here
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Cheers @george33
At 6:15 here:
According to this, Hoskins was asked to attend and said "I'm all good thanks, I'll chill".
This, coupled with his response after missing out on the ABs last year just shows the maturity of Hoskins.
Not someone I’d like in the ABs tbh, doesn’t matter how well he’s playing.
That said, he probably has a right to be a little bit skittish when it comes to the All Black coaches. He doesn't want to be another guy who gets a few seconds in the black jersey and gets ruled out from playing test footy for someone else. After being passed over so many times I kind of wonder why he's still here
If that’s the case, you’d think he would have left by now then.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Cheers @george33
At 6:15 here:
According to this, Hoskins was asked to attend and said "I'm all good thanks, I'll chill".
This, coupled with his response after missing out on the ABs last year just shows the maturity of Hoskins.
Not someone I’d like in the ABs tbh, doesn’t matter how well he’s playing.
That said, he probably has a right to be a little bit skittish when it comes to the All Black coaches. He doesn't want to be another guy who gets a few seconds in the black jersey and gets ruled out from playing test footy for someone else. After being passed over so many times I kind of wonder why he's still here
If that’s the case, you’d think he would have left by now then.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Cheers @george33
At 6:15 here:
According to this, Hoskins was asked to attend and said "I'm all good thanks, I'll chill".
This, coupled with his response after missing out on the ABs last year just shows the maturity of Hoskins.
Not someone I’d like in the ABs tbh, doesn’t matter how well he’s playing.
That said, he probably has a right to be a little bit skittish when it comes to the All Black coaches. He doesn't want to be another guy who gets a few seconds in the black jersey and gets ruled out from playing test footy for someone else. After being passed over so many times I kind of wonder why he's still here
If that’s the case, you’d think he would have left by now then.
Yeah. I don't really know what his thinking is
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Cheers @george33
At 6:15 here:
According to this, Hoskins was asked to attend and said "I'm all good thanks, I'll chill".
This, coupled with his response after missing out on the ABs last year just shows the maturity of Hoskins.
Not someone I’d like in the ABs tbh, doesn’t matter how well he’s playing.
That said, he probably has a right to be a little bit skittish when it comes to the All Black coaches. He doesn't want to be another guy who gets a few seconds in the black jersey and gets ruled out from playing test footy for someone else. After being passed over so many times I kind of wonder why he's still here
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Meant to say above - Casey's preferred loose forward quartet is apparently 6.Sititi, 7. Kirifi, 8. Savea with Jacobson on the bench.
With our preferred locks apparently being the smallish Scooter and Vaa'i - we're going hard on small ball?
I certainly hope not!!!
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@george33 politely declined
Makes you wonder if he’s heading offshore or has no time for the current coaching staff@Steven-Harris don't no if you no that Ken, on SportNation, but apparently his son is involved in the All blacks, , not sure of his last name tho.
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I'm not trying to run down Gatland. I'm just saying that McMillan took over the team at a low point and turned things around. He's a good coach. He did well with Maori AB's and AB XV.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I'm not trying to run down Gatland. I'm just saying that McMillan took over the team at a low point and turned things around. He's a good coach. He did well with Maori AB's and AB XV.
yeah didnt take it that you were. just wanted to add that players liked him
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@handa457 heard Tavatavanawai is in Tauranga and his numbers are out the gate
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
@handa457 heard Tavatavanawai is in Tauranga and his numbers are out the gate
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We all expected at least two new faces, which will be at lock (Holland) and LH (I'd prefer Norris, but I think they choose Fusitua), so the only question is who else?
That's two sources sounding like Jim will get a go. I assume he's the third.
Some players have been with the squad before, such as Kirifi.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Discussion of Kirifi ahead of Papalii, suggesting that Paps may have reached his peak and they want to see someone else (is @chchfanatic actually Lashes?)
In this part, btw, it did seem that this was his analysis and not necessarily sauce.
Certainly an interesting discussion - but, some of it was definitely his analysis rather than things he's had confirmed by his sauces - who are presumably pretty good.
Main things I took as hard news:
Hoskins declined to attend the camp.
There will be at least three new caps. (Was it Mr. Mike who had the good oil for the ABs tailor? It was immensely reliable and apparently there's three guys been issued kit).
They're considering playing Rieko on the wing due to a bit of a paucity of good options.
What I take from this:
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Hoskins is finished with the ABs. It's the "best of the rest" camp, so obviously some guys aren't going to make the final selection - but, if you have aspirations to play for the ABs you don't decline. Be very surprised if he's not signing offshore.
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There's going to be a new loosehead prop (they name-check Fusitua and Numia - I think Norris is a good chance - though Casey doesn't mention him). There's probably going to be a new lock (I expect it will be Holland). There's going to be a new wing (replacing Tele'a). They're speculating on Carter (which maybe means he's not yet been issued kit?). If @chchfanatic is right maybe it's Timoci who's been measured for a uniform?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
There's going to be a new wing (replacing Tele'a). They're speculating on Carter (which maybe means he's not yet been issued kit?). If @chchfanatic is right maybe it's Timoci who's been measured for a uniform?
Just what the All Blacks need, a small slow winger.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph think , we've got to take a step back , this lashes guy, is involved with the Barretts
No idea what show you are referring to, but Is that the brother-in-law?
Sam Casey is his real name.
He was the guy who was on the piss with Jordie in Dunedin when he was smashing late night maccas in the lounge of a random flat.
He is also the guy who pissed off Alice Soper by saying women's rugby is shit, and no one cares.
Used to run a Dunedin club page, was the producer of The Country, and will still have playing rugby contacts.
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph think , we've got to take a step back , this lashes guy, is involved with the Barretts
No idea what show you are referring to, but Is that the brother-in-law?
Sam Casey is his real name.
He was the guy who was on the piss with Jordie in Dunedin when he was smashing late night maccas in the lounge of a random flat.
He is also the guy who pissed off Alice Soper by saying women's rugby is shit, and no one cares.
Used to run a Dunedin club page, was the producer of The Country, and will still have playing rugby contacts.
Yup. Had the hype videos back in 2015 and 2016. Pissed a lot of people off within landers circles after awhile
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@Steven-Harris don't no if you no that Ken, on SportNation, but apparently his son is involved in the All blacks, , not sure of his last name tho.
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Steven-Harris don't no if you no that Ken, on SportNation, but apparently his son is involved in the All blacks, , not sure of his last name tho.
Not 100 per cent sure what you're saying @george33 but Naitoa Ah Kuoi's dad is a Ken.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Journalist reckons it's taken Robertson a year to realise it's his head on the chopping block if he doesn't succeed? Seriously?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
No Fakatava?
That says a lot.
Glad Howden is in their sights, not sure he is there yet but he has the size and tools.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
No Fakatava?
That says a lot.
Glad Howden is in their sights, not sure he is there yet but he has the size and tools.
Looking OK at 9 with Ratima, Roigard and Hotham TBF
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Journalist reckons it's taken Robertson a year to realise it's his head on the chopping block if he doesn't succeed? Seriously?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Journalist reckons it's taken Robertson a year to realise it's his head on the chopping block if he doesn't succeed? Seriously?
What a load of dribble by the so called Journalist.
I am pretty sure when you take over a HC role you know the buck stops with you. -
@WoodysRFC said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2
Then "thanks for your service". He's not the
and considering his form last year, we'd be better off without him.He's bloody good and worth a shit load to NZ rugby. I'm more than ok with loyal servants getting "extras" if it gets them sticking around for over a decade (especially if it gets them playing out their career in NZ).
Yeah agreed, no issue with sabbaticals personally.
I've no issue with the idea and using it for those that have provided great value and years long service. Not happy if it is used in conjunction with automatic AB selection though.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@WoodysRFC said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2
Then "thanks for your service". He's not the
and considering his form last year, we'd be better off without him.He's bloody good and worth a shit load to NZ rugby. I'm more than ok with loyal servants getting "extras" if it gets them sticking around for over a decade (especially if it gets them playing out their career in NZ).
Yeah agreed, no issue with sabbaticals personally.
I've no issue with the idea and using it for those that have provided great value and years long service. Not happy if it is used in conjunction with automatic AB selection though.
Personally, I wonder if we should be a bit radical and look at a few sabbaticals for contracted players on the fringe on Test XXIII selection if the selectors think a spell overseas would round out/improve their game.
Costs would be kept low and players like Plummer wouldn't be lost.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Is there really no snow on Mt Taranaki at the moment?
Lol no, there is some on the top, well on this side ,so really the pic was taken a month or so ago when Toyota were announced as new sponsors I think. Was taking liberties mate.
isn't that a Defender?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Is there really no snow on Mt Taranaki at the moment?
Lol no, there is some on the top, well on this side ,so really the pic was taken a month or so ago when Toyota were announced as new sponsors I think. Was taking liberties mate.
isn't that a Defender?
Probably broken down.....
