2025 All Blacks v France series
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@ploughboy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
rugbypass have LJ with 17 tackle and EB with 16 . LJ spent 10 mins + off field
Yeah but did not the Crusaders have more ball which balances out the tackle rate.
That is the problem with stats they can be bent anyway you like to make an argument.
Stats have a place but they are not the be all in selection as they are relevant to the situation they are recorded.@Chris said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@ploughboy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
rugbypass have LJ with 17 tackle and EB with 16 . LJ spent 10 mins + off field
Yeah but did not the Crusaders have more ball which balances out the tackle rate.
That is the problem with stats they can be bent anyway you like to make an argument.
Stats have a place but they are not the be all in selection as they are relevant to the situation they are recorded.100% agree just pointing out to some posters that EB was not the highest tackler in the game
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@Chris said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nzzp said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Someone posted that during the game. As for the tackle count, he may have got 30 odd, but I didn't notice them as they lacked dominance
Tackle counts are not that important. Racking up numbers hitting one off defensive players and being late to attacking rucks doesn't really help win games. It's just avoiding errors. Safe boring players are great, but if you have too many (if any) you can just beige your way out of any impact and dynamism.
So defence doesn’t count then someone can make one tackle per game at that’s all good.
You're twisting what I said. Defence is critical. Tackle counts in isolation are not a yardstick for effectiveness.
EB cops plenty, but not for workrate or commitment. But pointing at a tackle count and saying 'see, awesome' is just not justified. Particularly when players (Clarke) steamroll you the week before
@nzzp said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Chris said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nzzp said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Someone posted that during the game. As for the tackle count, he may have got 30 odd, but I didn't notice them as they lacked dominance
Tackle counts are not that important. Racking up numbers hitting one off defensive players and being late to attacking rucks doesn't really help win games. It's just avoiding errors. Safe boring players are great, but if you have too many (if any) you can just beige your way out of any impact and dynamism.
So defence doesn’t count then someone can make one tackle per game at that’s all good.
You're twisting what I said. Defence is critical. Tackle counts in isolation are not a yardstick for effectiveness.
EB cops plenty, but not for workrate or commitment. But pointing at a tackle count and saying 'see, awesome' is just not justified. Particularly when players (Clarke) steamroll you the week before
Nobody on here says awesome about EB - I'm about his staunchest defender on here, and all I say is I don't understand him being rubbished all the time when he performs strongly.
Dominant tackle % Opta stats Super rugby this year:
Parker 14.6%
Finau 11.8%
Savea 7.3%
EB 5.4%, same as CLW.
Kirifi 4.6%
DP 4.3%
LJ 3.8%
Sititi 2.2%Taking into account how many tackles EB makes, it's actually Parker then Finau then him - in terms of dominant tackles per minute.
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@nzzp said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Chris said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nzzp said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I can see how they like Norris, he's a physical presence around the field. I hope they can help him refine his scrummaging.
Shame Ah Kuoi wasn't looked at as lock/6, small for a lock but quite athletic and hardworking methinks.
It's interesting the views on Blackadder in the final, he was a workhorse as always but didn't look that impactful or dominant or particularly speedy to my eye, but I wasn't looking particularly out for him.
If I had time I'd like to go back to see if the Chiefs when off the boil as LJ got hit/off the field, the loosies looked far more effective early on I thought.I kept an eye on him, you are correct. and 30 carries for 0.8m is a disgrace
Not sure where you are getting those stats from, but was it you who watched him closely in the semi and managed to miss the game high 30 odd tackles?
Someone posted that during the game. As for the tackle count, he may have got 30 odd, but I didn't notice them as they lacked dominance
Tackle counts are not that important. Racking up numbers hitting one off defensive players and being late to attacking rucks doesn't really help win games. It's just avoiding errors. Safe boring players are great, but if you have too many (if any) you can just beige your way out of any impact and dynamism.
So defence doesn’t count then someone can make one tackle per game at that’s all good.
You're twisting what I said. Defence is critical. Tackle counts in isolation are not a yardstick for effectiveness.
EB cops plenty, but not for workrate or commitment. But pointing at a tackle count and saying 'see, awesome' is just not justified. Particularly when players (Clarke) steamroll you the week before
Nobody on here says awesome about EB - I'm about his staunchest defender on here, and all I say is I don't understand him being rubbished all the time when he performs strongly.
Dominant tackle % Opta stats Super rugby this year:
Parker 14.6%
Finau 11.8%
Savea 7.3%
EB 5.4%, same as CLW.
Kirifi 4.6%
DP 4.3%
LJ 3.8%
Sititi 2.2%Taking into account how many tackles EB makes, it's actually Parker then Finau then him - in terms of dominant tackles per minute.
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Nobody on here says awesome about EB - I'm about his staunchest defender on here, and all I say is I don't understand him being rubbished all the time when he performs strongly.
Think of it as the antithesis of the hype he gets in the media. Truth lies somewhere in the middle.
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@george33 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Did Dalton really head butt Razor last season?,
fuck now THIS is oil
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@george33 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Did Dalton really head butt Razor last season?,
fuck now THIS is oil
@mariner4life said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@george33 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Did Dalton really head butt Razor last season?,
fuck now THIS is oil
George ALWAYS has the good oil, NO misses
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i want it to be true so much i am willing to overlook all sorts of things
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There is a rumor that somehow Paps fucked things up with Razor.
One poster mentioned a late night phone call as the cause.
Another has just suggested a head butt.
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There is a rumor that somehow Paps fucked things up with Razor.
One poster mentioned a late night phone call as the cause.
Another has just suggested a head butt.
@gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
There is a rumor that somehow Paps fucked things up with Razor.
One poster mentioned a late night phone call as the cause.
Another has just suggested a head butt.
Based on his selections last year, Razor probably deserved a headbutt...
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@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Was it a dominant head-butt? Cause a pussy one could be cause for omission.
The post head butt body language was not up to the required standards
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I think Paps and Jacobsen were competing for one spot, and he lost out. He works quite hard but I don't think he's fast enough to be an elite 7. Maybe he should come back to super rugby next year and play 6? He's going to have to learn how to smash people and shift bodies the way that Parker appears to be able to
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I think Paps and Jacobsen were competing for one spot, and he lost out. He works quite hard but I don't think he's fast enough to be an elite 7. Maybe he should come back to super rugby next year and play 6? He's going to have to learn how to smash people and shift bodies the way that Parker appears to be able to
Papali'i is fast at top speed. His issue is his game doesn't have the balance the coaches are looking for.
His top speed would be faster than Jacobson, Kirifi, Lakai and probably Sititi.
The last 3 might be faster over 10m but not over 50m
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Papali'i is fast at top speed. His issue is his game doesn't have the balance the coaches are looking for.
His top speed would be faster than Jacobson, Kirifi, Lakai and probably Sititi.
The last 3 might be faster over 10m but not over 50m
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@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Papali'i is fast at top speed. His issue is his game doesn't have the balance the coaches are looking for.
With all these young guns coming through, he is in danger of being overtaken
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@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
the trio they went with against France
Isn't that the only game we lost? My memory is shithouse.
@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
the trio they went with against France
Isn't that the only game we lost? My memory is shithouse.
We lost it but we also had to bring Lakai on in the first few minutes to replace Finau.
Which points to a secondary issue of having the right pieces on the bench.
