2025 All Blacks v France series
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@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@hikastags said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie's not quick, and he's not elusive. If most people could build a fullback in a lab, I reckon they'd build Christian Cullen - and Jordie most certainly isn't that.
Also it was the Chiefs back 3 who looked silly in what was largely a kicking battle on the weekend, not Will Jordan - he was dominant.Quick enough. Do you enjoy watching a 6ft 5 Jordie cart it up as a crash-ball 12 where the South Africans chew him up like nothing?
And no, it would be Jordie considering the kicking game in today's game.
We tried Jordie at fullback, we rightly moved him to 12.
If he wasn't a Barrett I'd say that Tupaea would have his spot at 12, and he'd likely be on the bench, especially after a rather quiet test year last year (regardless of what he's been doing in NH rugby). But he's Barrett so likely Quinn is watching from the sidelines and we all complain that we have a midfield that can't cart the ball in traffic despite the fact one of them is built like a lock.
Oh come on Neps, don't let your hatred of the supremely talented Barrett Brothers cloud your judgement
Jordie was superb at fullback the majority of games he played there, and the coaches were loathe to move him despite the somewhat desperate need for his skillset at 12 at the time. I think we have enough quality in the midfield now to be able to push him back to 15 to shore up our defense, particularly against quality kicking. If you had both Clarke and Jordie in the back three then kicking to them is not going to get many rewards, and when it comes to SA in particular, that's pretty much their entire gameplan.What sort of revisionism is this? If Jordie was superb at fullback he'd still be there, he was decidedly average if you take Barrett fanboi glasses off.
Oh psh, he had multiple MOTM performances there and saved our wingers bacon on a number of occasions. He was not moved to 12 because he was struggling at the back, he was moved to fill a gaping hole in our midfield.
But, agree to disagree, I won't die on this hill
@No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Oh psh, he had multiple MOTM performances there and saved our wingers bacon on a number of occasions. He was not moved to 12 because he was struggling at the back, he was moved to fill a gaping hole in our midfield.
2021 in particular
He was first in the aggregate TSF MOTM polls
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even if the look back at jordie playing 15 was SLIGHTLY rose tinted...i still feel it was more a case of BB at 15 and JB at 12 was just "more better" than JB at 15 and whomever else at 12...rather than he wasn;t good at 15 and need to move him
14.....he wasn;t good
same with CC....even if he wasn't as good as some claim under the high ball....hes nowhere near bad and it would be SO FAR down the list of things to worry about its not worth discussion
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The biggest problem with Clarke has been his reads on D. Being caught out of position or not using his sideline to his advantage.
Agree on the high ball when he is coming forward he is pretty good. He attacks the high ball confidently which is always a good start. But he has been turned around and made to look pretty ordinary
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@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@hikastags said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie's not quick, and he's not elusive. If most people could build a fullback in a lab, I reckon they'd build Christian Cullen - and Jordie most certainly isn't that.
Also it was the Chiefs back 3 who looked silly in what was largely a kicking battle on the weekend, not Will Jordan - he was dominant.Quick enough. Do you enjoy watching a 6ft 5 Jordie cart it up as a crash-ball 12 where the South Africans chew him up like nothing?
And no, it would be Jordie considering the kicking game in today's game.
We tried Jordie at fullback, we rightly moved him to 12.
If he wasn't a Barrett I'd say that Tupaea would have his spot at 12, and he'd likely be on the bench, especially after a rather quiet test year last year (regardless of what he's been doing in NH rugby). But he's Barrett so likely Quinn is watching from the sidelines and we all complain that we have a midfield that can't cart the ball in traffic despite the fact one of them is built like a lock.
Oh come on Neps, don't let your hatred of the supremely talented Barrett Brothers cloud your judgement
Jordie was superb at fullback the majority of games he played there, and the coaches were loathe to move him despite the somewhat desperate need for his skillset at 12 at the time. I think we have enough quality in the midfield now to be able to push him back to 15 to shore up our defense, particularly against quality kicking. If you had both Clarke and Jordie in the back three then kicking to them is not going to get many rewards, and when it comes to SA in particular, that's pretty much their entire gameplan.What sort of revisionism is this? If Jordie was superb at fullback he'd still be there, he was decidedly average if you take Barrett fanboi glasses off.
Oh psh, he had multiple MOTM performances there and saved our wingers bacon on a number of occasions. He was not moved to 12 because he was struggling at the back, he was moved to fill a gaping hole in our midfield.
But, agree to disagree, I won't die on this hill
@No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@hikastags said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie's not quick, and he's not elusive. If most people could build a fullback in a lab, I reckon they'd build Christian Cullen - and Jordie most certainly isn't that.
Also it was the Chiefs back 3 who looked silly in what was largely a kicking battle on the weekend, not Will Jordan - he was dominant.Quick enough. Do you enjoy watching a 6ft 5 Jordie cart it up as a crash-ball 12 where the South Africans chew him up like nothing?
And no, it would be Jordie considering the kicking game in today's game.
We tried Jordie at fullback, we rightly moved him to 12.
If he wasn't a Barrett I'd say that Tupaea would have his spot at 12, and he'd likely be on the bench, especially after a rather quiet test year last year (regardless of what he's been doing in NH rugby). But he's Barrett so likely Quinn is watching from the sidelines and we all complain that we have a midfield that can't cart the ball in traffic despite the fact one of them is built like a lock.
Oh come on Neps, don't let your hatred of the supremely talented Barrett Brothers cloud your judgement
Jordie was superb at fullback the majority of games he played there, and the coaches were loathe to move him despite the somewhat desperate need for his skillset at 12 at the time. I think we have enough quality in the midfield now to be able to push him back to 15 to shore up our defense, particularly against quality kicking. If you had both Clarke and Jordie in the back three then kicking to them is not going to get many rewards, and when it comes to SA in particular, that's pretty much their entire gameplan.What sort of revisionism is this? If Jordie was superb at fullback he'd still be there, he was decidedly average if you take Barrett fanboi glasses off.
Oh psh, he had multiple MOTM performances there and saved our wingers bacon on a number of occasions. He was not moved to 12 because he was struggling at the back, he was moved to fill a gaping hole in our midfield.
But, agree to disagree, I won't die on this hill
I'll die on it, I'm like Moananui a Kiwa Ngarimu winning the VC throwing stones at the Nazi's when all the ammo has run out.
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@No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@hikastags said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie's not quick, and he's not elusive. If most people could build a fullback in a lab, I reckon they'd build Christian Cullen - and Jordie most certainly isn't that.
Also it was the Chiefs back 3 who looked silly in what was largely a kicking battle on the weekend, not Will Jordan - he was dominant.Quick enough. Do you enjoy watching a 6ft 5 Jordie cart it up as a crash-ball 12 where the South Africans chew him up like nothing?
And no, it would be Jordie considering the kicking game in today's game.
We tried Jordie at fullback, we rightly moved him to 12.
If he wasn't a Barrett I'd say that Tupaea would have his spot at 12, and he'd likely be on the bench, especially after a rather quiet test year last year (regardless of what he's been doing in NH rugby). But he's Barrett so likely Quinn is watching from the sidelines and we all complain that we have a midfield that can't cart the ball in traffic despite the fact one of them is built like a lock.
Oh come on Neps, don't let your hatred of the supremely talented Barrett Brothers cloud your judgement
Jordie was superb at fullback the majority of games he played there, and the coaches were loathe to move him despite the somewhat desperate need for his skillset at 12 at the time. I think we have enough quality in the midfield now to be able to push him back to 15 to shore up our defense, particularly against quality kicking. If you had both Clarke and Jordie in the back three then kicking to them is not going to get many rewards, and when it comes to SA in particular, that's pretty much their entire gameplan.What sort of revisionism is this? If Jordie was superb at fullback he'd still be there, he was decidedly average if you take Barrett fanboi glasses off.
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@hikastags said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie's not quick, and he's not elusive. If most people could build a fullback in a lab, I reckon they'd build Christian Cullen - and Jordie most certainly isn't that.
Also it was the Chiefs back 3 who looked silly in what was largely a kicking battle on the weekend, not Will Jordan - he was dominant.Quick enough. Do you enjoy watching a 6ft 5 Jordie cart it up as a crash-ball 12 where the South Africans chew him up like nothing?
And no, it would be Jordie considering the kicking game in today's game.
We tried Jordie at fullback, we rightly moved him to 12.
If he wasn't a Barrett I'd say that Tupaea would have his spot at 12, and he'd likely be on the bench, especially after a rather quiet test year last year (regardless of what he's been doing in NH rugby). But he's Barrett so likely Quinn is watching from the sidelines and we all complain that we have a midfield that can't cart the ball in traffic despite the fact one of them is built like a lock.
Oh come on Neps, don't let your hatred of the supremely talented Barrett Brothers cloud your judgement
Jordie was superb at fullback the majority of games he played there, and the coaches were loathe to move him despite the somewhat desperate need for his skillset at 12 at the time. I think we have enough quality in the midfield now to be able to push him back to 15 to shore up our defense, particularly against quality kicking. If you had both Clarke and Jordie in the back three then kicking to them is not going to get many rewards, and when it comes to SA in particular, that's pretty much their entire gameplan.What sort of revisionism is this? If Jordie was superb at fullback he'd still be there, he was decidedly average if you take Barrett fanboi glasses off.
Yeh I have to say he was doing ok at 15, he went to 12 because DH was being battered and they needed a more direct, powerful runner. I also wonder if that was the time they were trying to shoehorn the dual playmaker idea at the time, can't say for sure.
Jordie had some very good games at 15, had some average ones too, I still think we didn't use him at 15 as well as we could have (aimed at coaching, not him). -
@No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@hikastags said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie's not quick, and he's not elusive. If most people could build a fullback in a lab, I reckon they'd build Christian Cullen - and Jordie most certainly isn't that.
Also it was the Chiefs back 3 who looked silly in what was largely a kicking battle on the weekend, not Will Jordan - he was dominant.Quick enough. Do you enjoy watching a 6ft 5 Jordie cart it up as a crash-ball 12 where the South Africans chew him up like nothing?
And no, it would be Jordie considering the kicking game in today's game.
We tried Jordie at fullback, we rightly moved him to 12.
If he wasn't a Barrett I'd say that Tupaea would have his spot at 12, and he'd likely be on the bench, especially after a rather quiet test year last year (regardless of what he's been doing in NH rugby). But he's Barrett so likely Quinn is watching from the sidelines and we all complain that we have a midfield that can't cart the ball in traffic despite the fact one of them is built like a lock.
Oh come on Neps, don't let your hatred of the supremely talented Barrett Brothers cloud your judgement
Jordie was superb at fullback the majority of games he played there, and the coaches were loathe to move him despite the somewhat desperate need for his skillset at 12 at the time. I think we have enough quality in the midfield now to be able to push him back to 15 to shore up our defense, particularly against quality kicking. If you had both Clarke and Jordie in the back three then kicking to them is not going to get many rewards, and when it comes to SA in particular, that's pretty much their entire gameplan.What sort of revisionism is this? If Jordie was superb at fullback he'd still be there, he was decidedly average if you take Barrett fanboi glasses off.
Oh psh, he had multiple MOTM performances there and saved our wingers bacon on a number of occasions. He was not moved to 12 because he was struggling at the back, he was moved to fill a gaping hole in our midfield.
But, agree to disagree, I won't die on this hill
I'll die on it, I'm like Moananui a Kiwa Ngarimu winning the VC throwing stones at the Nazi's when all the ammo has run out.
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I'll die on it, I'm like Moananui a Kiwa Ngarimu winning the VC throwing stones at the Nazi's when all the ammo has run out.
While you're dying on that hill, can you please fix the grammar? Thank you.
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@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@hikastags said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie's not quick, and he's not elusive. If most people could build a fullback in a lab, I reckon they'd build Christian Cullen - and Jordie most certainly isn't that.
Also it was the Chiefs back 3 who looked silly in what was largely a kicking battle on the weekend, not Will Jordan - he was dominant.Quick enough. Do you enjoy watching a 6ft 5 Jordie cart it up as a crash-ball 12 where the South Africans chew him up like nothing?
And no, it would be Jordie considering the kicking game in today's game.
We tried Jordie at fullback, we rightly moved him to 12.
If he wasn't a Barrett I'd say that Tupaea would have his spot at 12, and he'd likely be on the bench, especially after a rather quiet test year last year (regardless of what he's been doing in NH rugby). But he's Barrett so likely Quinn is watching from the sidelines and we all complain that we have a midfield that can't cart the ball in traffic despite the fact one of them is built like a lock.
Oh come on Neps, don't let your hatred of the supremely talented Barrett Brothers cloud your judgement
Jordie was superb at fullback the majority of games he played there, and the coaches were loathe to move him despite the somewhat desperate need for his skillset at 12 at the time. I think we have enough quality in the midfield now to be able to push him back to 15 to shore up our defense, particularly against quality kicking. If you had both Clarke and Jordie in the back three then kicking to them is not going to get many rewards, and when it comes to SA in particular, that's pretty much their entire gameplan.What sort of revisionism is this? If Jordie was superb at fullback he'd still be there, he was decidedly average if you take Barrett fanboi glasses off.
Yeh I have to say he was doing ok at 15, he went to 12 because DH was being battered and they needed a more direct, powerful runner. I also wonder if that was the time they were trying to shoehorn the dual playmaker idea at the time, can't say for sure.
Jordie had some very good games at 15, had some average ones too, I still think we didn't use him at 15 as well as we could have (aimed at coaching, not him).@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@No-Quarter said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Nepia said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@hikastags said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie's not quick, and he's not elusive. If most people could build a fullback in a lab, I reckon they'd build Christian Cullen - and Jordie most certainly isn't that.
Also it was the Chiefs back 3 who looked silly in what was largely a kicking battle on the weekend, not Will Jordan - he was dominant.Quick enough. Do you enjoy watching a 6ft 5 Jordie cart it up as a crash-ball 12 where the South Africans chew him up like nothing?
And no, it would be Jordie considering the kicking game in today's game.
We tried Jordie at fullback, we rightly moved him to 12.
If he wasn't a Barrett I'd say that Tupaea would have his spot at 12, and he'd likely be on the bench, especially after a rather quiet test year last year (regardless of what he's been doing in NH rugby). But he's Barrett so likely Quinn is watching from the sidelines and we all complain that we have a midfield that can't cart the ball in traffic despite the fact one of them is built like a lock.
Oh come on Neps, don't let your hatred of the supremely talented Barrett Brothers cloud your judgement
Jordie was superb at fullback the majority of games he played there, and the coaches were loathe to move him despite the somewhat desperate need for his skillset at 12 at the time. I think we have enough quality in the midfield now to be able to push him back to 15 to shore up our defense, particularly against quality kicking. If you had both Clarke and Jordie in the back three then kicking to them is not going to get many rewards, and when it comes to SA in particular, that's pretty much their entire gameplan.What sort of revisionism is this? If Jordie was superb at fullback he'd still be there, he was decidedly average if you take Barrett fanboi glasses off.
Yeh I have to say he was doing ok at 15, he went to 12 because DH was being battered and they needed a more direct, powerful runner. I also wonder if that was the time they were trying to shoehorn the dual playmaker idea at the time, can't say for sure.
Jorddie had some very good games at 15, had some average ones too, I still think we didn't use him at 15 as well as we could have (aimed at coaching, not him).^^^^this
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@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
I'm sure he went to 12 after being very good there in super rugby.
Yeah I remember the talk he could be the answer at 12 after he started playing there for the canes , I didn’t see that much of it but remember the talk .
and I think that also allowed them to play his brother at 15 and play mounga at 10 ? -
Jordie was a 12 before he was a 15 really, just had the skills that also transferred to 15. He still has, and can probably still could fill in at 15 if required. Just with Jordan (who I used to be very iffy about at 15) has now developed or matured into a 15 so well, I can't see Jordie being needed there.
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@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Bell and Fihaki shouldn't have been selected. The weird thing is that both Havili and Blackadder were quite a bit better this year than last at Super level.
I was a bit tongue in cheek.
Havili was excellent at 12 until he came up against the bigger teams. I don't think he's got enough to take up a squad slot.
Blackadder has strong work rate, but in my opinion not fast enough or big enough for the top level. Can see how he gets picked, and can see his value, but his ceiling is quite limited for Tests. Super does not actually transfer well to Test level.
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@AmberArmy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nzzp Blackadder is the same size as Jacobson and bigger than Sititi
Alternative view: According to official stats, Blackadder is a cm shorter than Jacobson and the same weight as Sititi.
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@AmberArmy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nzzp Blackadder is the same size as Jacobson and bigger than Sititi
taller or shorter than Ardie (with his hair)
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@AmberArmy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nzzp Blackadder is the same size as Jacobson and bigger than Sititi
Alternative view: According to official stats, Blackadder is a cm shorter than Jacobson and the same weight as Sititi.
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
According to official stats
One of the great lies.
I'll still love you in the morning.
The cheque is in the mail.
This will only hurt a little bit.
According to official rugby stats.
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@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
According to official stats
One of the great lies.
I'll still love you in the morning.
The cheque is in the mail.
This will only hurt a little bit.
According to official rugby stats.
@nzzp said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
One of the great lies.
And it is all numbers, numbers, numbers.
An easier and more visceral approach might be to imagine EB, LJ, and WS all potential tacklers running towards you. Which contact would you be least worried about? -
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
According to official stats
One of the great lies.
I'll still love you in the morning.
The cheque is in the mail.
This will only hurt a little bit.
According to official rugby stats.
@nzzp said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@nostrildamus said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
According to official stats
One of the great lies.
I'll still love you in the morning.
The cheque is in the mail.
This will only hurt a little bit.
According to official rugby stats.
Promising your mate you won’t piss in his wetsuit
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Jordie was a 12 before he was a 15 really, just had the skills that also transferred to 15. He still has, and can probably still could fill in at 15 if required. Just with Jordan (who I used to be very iffy about at 15) has now developed or matured into a 15 so well, I can't see Jordie being needed there.
@Dan54 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie was a 12 before he was a 15 really, just had the skills that also transferred to 15. He still has, and can probably still could fill in at 15 if required. Just with Jordan (who I used to be very iffy about at 15) has now developed or matured into a 15 so well, I can't see Jordie being needed there.
Jordie is a natural midfielder and even those early days playing for Canterbury showed what he was capable of and where his future would be.
What happened at the Canes was that they had the likes of Laumape, Aso, Proctor as midfielders around that time 2018ish that Jordie was chosen as the fullback option. They didn’t really have a fullback option other than Jordie. He did play well there but once the 12 spot opened up the Canes did move him there and that’s despite him being the AB fullback.
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@Dan54 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie was a 12 before he was a 15 really, just had the skills that also transferred to 15. He still has, and can probably still could fill in at 15 if required. Just with Jordan (who I used to be very iffy about at 15) has now developed or matured into a 15 so well, I can't see Jordie being needed there.
Jordie is a natural midfielder and even those early days playing for Canterbury showed what he was capable of and where his future would be.
What happened at the Canes was that they had the likes of Laumape, Aso, Proctor as midfielders around that time 2018ish that Jordie was chosen as the fullback option. They didn’t really have a fullback option other than Jordie. He did play well there but once the 12 spot opened up the Canes did move him there and that’s despite him being the AB fullback.
@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Dan54 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie was a 12 before he was a 15 really, just had the skills that also transferred to 15. He still has, and can probably still could fill in at 15 if required. Just with Jordan (who I used to be very iffy about at 15) has now developed or matured into a 15 so well, I can't see Jordie being needed there.
Jordie is a natural midfielder and even those early days playing for Canterbury showed what he was capable of and where his future would be.
What happened at the Canes was that they had the likes of Laumape, Aso, Proctor as midfielders around that time 2018ish that Jordie was chosen as the fullback option. They didn’t really have a fullback option other than Jordie. He did play well there but once the 12 spot opened up the Canes did move him there and that’s despite him being the AB fullback.
Yeah Razor loves Jordie at 12 he will not get moved to FB,D Mac or BB will play 15 before Jordie does.
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@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Dan54 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie was a 12 before he was a 15 really, just had the skills that also transferred to 15. He still has, and can probably still could fill in at 15 if required. Just with Jordan (who I used to be very iffy about at 15) has now developed or matured into a 15 so well, I can't see Jordie being needed there.
Jordie is a natural midfielder and even those early days playing for Canterbury showed what he was capable of and where his future would be.
What happened at the Canes was that they had the likes of Laumape, Aso, Proctor as midfielders around that time 2018ish that Jordie was chosen as the fullback option. They didn’t really have a fullback option other than Jordie. He did play well there but once the 12 spot opened up the Canes did move him there and that’s despite him being the AB fullback.
Yeah Razor loves Jordie at 12 he will not get moved to FB,D Mac or BB will play 15 before Jordie does.
@Chris said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Dan54 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Jordie was a 12 before he was a 15 really, just had the skills that also transferred to 15. He still has, and can probably still could fill in at 15 if required. Just with Jordan (who I used to be very iffy about at 15) has now developed or matured into a 15 so well, I can't see Jordie being needed there.
Jordie is a natural midfielder and even those early days playing for Canterbury showed what he was capable of and where his future would be.
What happened at the Canes was that they had the likes of Laumape, Aso, Proctor as midfielders around that time 2018ish that Jordie was chosen as the fullback option. They didn’t really have a fullback option other than Jordie. He did play well there but once the 12 spot opened up the Canes did move him there and that’s despite him being the AB fullback.
Yeah Razor loves Jordie at 12 he will not get moved to FB,D Mac or BB will play 15 before Jordie does.
Maybe he can get Jordie more space so we can see what he can do? He can do crash it up, but he's wasted there
