All Blacks v France I
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
I thought the obstruction call was much clearer than the knock on by proctor
I thought that too was terrible - it made no difference to the shape taken by the All Blacks in defence and none to the French defence.
Legitimately correct by the letter of the law, but an absolute arse in terms of effect.
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Are the TMOs on commission for spotting errors leading up to All Blacks tries? I can wear the Newell knock-on and Proctor not controlling the ball on the line, but the ruling on the third Jordan try was dodgy. Anyone thinking this is just paranoia needs to read Ian Foster’s biography. World Rugby is corrupt. And it has everything to do with the weight of money in the north.
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v France I:
Are the TMOs on commission for spotting errors leading up to All Blacks tries?
I don't think the TMOs are partial to any particular international team, but I suspect they are trained in being absolutely ruthless and thorough at spotting anything that might bring a try into doubt.
It's a very long time since you heard the phrase "benefit of doubt to the attacking team" in international rugby.
That's fine if you want a game that appeals to the litigious and becomes a contest between who has the better defensive coaching set-up, but it does reduce the sense of spectacle and wonder. Attack is being unfairly discouraged and attacking teams like the ABs and attacking Rugby cultures like New Zealand are being disproportionately punished.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
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It was really cool having the interviews with the families there too.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life I love Billy to bits, but I fear he flunked it tonight on the big occasion.
Quinn Tupaea should start at 13 next week IMHO.
I’ll be very surprised if Proctor doesn’t start in Welly. The last thing you want to do is ruin a young players confidence by dropping him after one test. If he doesn’t perform next week then fair enough.
I thought the disallowed try on Proctor was harsh, he did bloody well to get to the line there.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life I love Billy to bits, but I fear he flunked it tonight on the big occasion.
Quinn Tupaea should start at 13 next week IMHO.
I’ll be very surprised if Proctor doesn’t start in Welly. The last thing you want to do is ruin a young players confidence by dropping him after one test. If he doesn’t perform next week then fair enough.
I thought the disallowed try on Proctor was harsh, he did bloody well to get to the line there.
Those decisions need to be watched at full speed.
There was no material knock on there for me.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
Fair..... I give Rieko plenty of welly at 13 and Proctor was pure toilet tonight, no denying it.
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Jordie has come back a much better player. Apart from a bad defensive misread giving up a try, he was very involved and accurate. Great to see.
Proctor is a better player than he showed tonight. Rieko isn't really a winger anymore, Clarke would have been better.I've ranted more than enough about BB kicking the ball away previously. We just can't build momentum or play territory if he's at 10. It doesn't help if:
Roigard good except for kicking the ball away once.
McKenzie good except for kicking the ball away once.
Tupaea good, except for kicking the ball away once.
Jordan good, except for kicking the ball away once.
At this point I think you'd have to say that kicking the ball away is our game plan - which is pretty fucking retarded if we can't win our first contestable kick until the 58th minute - and that's with our midget winger knocking himself out in minute 1. -
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life I love Billy to bits, but I fear he flunked it tonight on the big occasion.
Quinn Tupaea should start at 13 next week IMHO.
I’ll be very surprised if Proctor doesn’t start in Welly. The last thing you want to do is ruin a young players confidence by dropping him after one test. If he doesn’t perform next week then fair enough.
I thought the disallowed try on Proctor was harsh, he did bloody well to get to the line there.
Those decisions need to be watched at full speed.
There was no material knock on there for me.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
Didn’t most people on here have Billy player of the match against Fiji? I’m not denying that he was poor tonight because he was, but surely you keep him there, he’s shown time and time again that he’s a much better player than what he showed tonight.. Rieko had years of playing centre and never got better at test level. Proctor deserves the same opportunity, just needs time in the jersey and he’ll be fine.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
Didn’t most people on here have Billy player of the match against Fiji? I’m not denying that he was poor tonight because he was, but surely you keep him there, he’s shown time and time again that he’s a much better player than what he showed tonight.. Rieko had years of playing centre and never got better at test level. Proctor deserves the same opportunity, just needs time in the jersey and he’ll be fine.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
Didn’t most people on here have Billy player of the match against Fiji? I’m not denying that he was poor tonight because he was, but surely you keep him there. Rieko had years of playing centre and never got better at test level. Proctor just needs time in the jersey and he’ll be fine.
Definitely needs another go
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
Didn’t most people on here have Billy player of the match against Fiji? I’m not denying that he was poor tonight because he was, but surely you keep him there, he’s shown time and time again that he’s a much better player than what he showed tonight.. Rieko had years of playing centre and never got better at test level. Proctor deserves the same opportunity, just needs time in the jersey and he’ll be fine.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
Didn’t most people on here have Billy player of the match against Fiji? I’m not denying that he was poor tonight because he was, but surely you keep him there, he’s shown time and time again that he’s a much better player than what he showed tonight.. Rieko had years of playing centre and never got better at test level. Proctor deserves the same opportunity, just needs time in the jersey and he’ll be fine.
You're thinking of ALB...
Proctor was 2nd equal with Clarke though. -
I love the way everyone is complaining about our ineffective and poorly executed kicking game - short kicks, rubbers, misplaced bombs - like it’s anything new. How could we possibly expect anything new from the same guy that has given us this tripe for years? It’s literally BB’s identity these days
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Proctor was playing against the Drua version of Fiji and at what point does he learn to defend his channel?
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
Proctor was playing against the Drua version of Fiji and at what point does he learn to defend his channel?
He needs to get used to the pace of test rugby obviously but he can’t do that sitting in the stands.
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I love the way everyone is complaining about our ineffective and poorly executed kicking game - short kicks, rubbers, misplaced bombs - like it’s anything new. How could we possibly expect anything new from the same guy that has given us this tripe for years? It’s literally BB’s identity these days
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
I love the way everyone is complaining about our ineffective and poorly executed kicking game - short kicks, rubbers, misplaced bombs - like it’s anything new. How could we possibly expect anything new from the same guy that has given us this tripe for years? It’s literally BB’s identity these days
His boss clearly allows him to do it
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
I thought the obstruction call was much clearer than the knock on by proctor
Get outta here. I’m with @antipodean here
Innocuous contact on a player that had no chance to make a tackle. Worst thing about it is that it encourages all defenders to just take a dive in similar situations. Just ludicrous.
The TMO should be forced to watch the last 10 years of Ireland tests
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There will be nashing of teeth and blaming of players (on here), but unless the ABs get into a test match mindset, they will struggle tactically. Focus on basics, protect the ball, kick long for territory, put it in front of your forward pack, and play percentages. The strikes will come from that.
There must be a mathematical formula for building pressure that equates to winning percentages. At the moment, we seem to be wayward artists, but I think we need engineers (Do you know what I mean?) -
Our players have not got a pragmatic bone in their bodies.
Sometimes you need to just form a ruck and recycle.
Beaudy boots it away, chip kicks to nobody or grubbers it into shins.
Its the opposite of the marginal gains theory that David Brailsford implemented at team sky.
As other posters alluded to, we dont catch kicks, we kick poorly ourselves and we have too many unforced errors.
It all adds up.
