All Blacks v France I
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
For the same reason as savea i reckon I'm close to done with DMac.
I can understand the allure, when it goes right it goes very right, but is it balanced out by the untold errors and created pressure?
I'm quite torn on DMac and Beauden, I caused a bit of a stir when I said picking Beauden for this test wasn't all that controversial as I think they are much of a muchness really. Personally I'd have DMac starting at 10 just on account of his kicking game, as we can struggle to get out of our half when on the back foot otherwise.
But outside of that both players go from the sublime to the ridiculous far too often for test match footy.
Hard disagree. McKenzie kicked the ball away badly once (and fortuitously grabbed the rebound). He also threw an intercept - which really doesn't count, as it was under penalty advantage so why not.
Aside from that , his decision-making was pretty conservative - he took contact in preference to trying too much on several occasions.My takeaway was he danced around and then flat footed just popped it to a stationary forward to get smashed.
I'm not as forgiving of the intercept since he took a poor option and managed to single out the only French defender with at least three other All Blacks, including an unmarked Ardie inside of him.
Again, a player best suited for the final 20mins in the hope we've created space.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
For the same reason as savea i reckon I'm close to done with DMac.
I can understand the allure, when it goes right it goes very right, but is it balanced out by the untold errors and created pressure?
I'm quite torn on DMac and Beauden, I caused a bit of a stir when I said picking Beauden for this test wasn't all that controversial as I think they are much of a muchness really. Personally I'd have DMac starting at 10 just on account of his kicking game, as we can struggle to get out of our half when on the back foot otherwise.
But outside of that both players go from the sublime to the ridiculous far too often for test match footy.
Hard disagree. McKenzie kicked the ball away badly once (and fortuitously grabbed the rebound). He also threw an intercept - which really doesn't count, as it was under penalty advantage so why not.
Aside from that , his decision-making was pretty conservative - he took contact in preference to trying too much on several occasions.My takeaway was he danced around and then flat footed just popped it to a stationary forward to get smashed.
An the same thing can be described as: he looked for gaps, and made/took a few half-gaps - and when there wasn't one he recycled and maintained possession.
And are you going to rubbish other players for similar/worse poor options? How about Roigard for ignoring Jordie inside him who would have scored? And for his bizarre kick to nobody on attack?
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France I:
@frugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France I:
I hugely disagree about him dominating the lineout. I think Tuipulotu or Lord would've gone just as well against that French side.Holland is basically the Blackadder of locks.
Holy shit I’ve officially heard it all now. This might go down as one of the worst takes of 2025 on the fern.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks v France I:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France I:
@frugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France I:
I hugely disagree about him dominating the lineout. I think Tuipulotu or Lord would've gone just as well against that French side.Holland is basically the Blackadder of locks.
Holy shit I’ve officially heard it all now. This might go down as one of the worst takes of 2025 on the fern.
Not really, the fern hates people who work hard. We want highlights!
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
Finau for a big unit really added no impact in this game,He was passive in the tackle he got knocked back a few times.And went no where forward.
Even though Vai'i maybe found out as a bit slow at 6 in the harder games, he was 100% better than Finau.Hard disagree. He dropped an early one cold and I was ready to write him off.
But after that he ran fucking hard and made yards in tight. He has a future i think.
Nah didn’t see any of that to me he was pretty weak.
People often see what they look for.
that is true both ways but I have no real option on Finau I hoped he would be the player we need at 6, but I was disappointed again on what I saw as a weak performance again.
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
@booboo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
Finau for a big unit really added no impact in this game,He was passive in the tackle he got knocked back a few times.And went no where forward.
Even though Vai'i maybe found out as a bit slow at 6 in the harder games, he was 100% better than Finau.Hard disagree. He dropped an early one cold and I was ready to write him off.
But after that he ran fucking hard and made yards in tight. He has a future i think.
Nah didn’t see any of that to me h8e was pretty weak.
People often see what they look for.
that is true both ways but I have no real option on Finau I hoped he would be the player we need at 6, but I was disappointed again on what I saw as a weak performance again.
Apart from the dropped ball he was good. Made some good carries over the gain line, won a turnover, won a couple of lineouts, made some good cleans. Overall a balanced effort.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
@booboo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
Finau for a big unit really added no impact in this game,He was passive in the tackle he got knocked back a few times.And went no where forward.
Even though Vai'i maybe found out as a bit slow at 6 in the harder games, he was 100% better than Finau.Hard disagree. He dropped an early one cold and I was ready to write him off.
But after that he ran fucking hard and made yards in tight. He has a future i think.
Nah didn’t see any of that to me h8e was pretty weak.
People often see what they look for.
that is true both ways but I have no real option on Finau I hoped he would be the player we need at 6, but I was disappointed again on what I saw as a weak performance again.
Apart from the dropped ball he was good. Made some good carries over the gain line, won a turnover, won a couple of lineouts, made some good cleans. Overall a balanced effort.
@brodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
@booboo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
Finau for a big unit really added no impact in this game,He was passive in the tackle he got knocked back a few times.And went no where forward.
Even though Vai'i maybe found out as a bit slow at 6 in the harder games, he was 100% better than Finau.Hard disagree. He dropped an early one cold and I was ready to write him off.
But after that he ran fucking hard and made yards in tight. He has a future i think.
Nah didn’t see any of that to me h8e was pretty weak.
People often see what they look for.
that is true both ways but I have no real option on Finau I hoped he would be the player we need at 6, but I was disappointed again on what I saw as a weak performance again.
Apart from the dropped ball he was good. Made some good carries over the gain line, won a turnover, won a couple of lineouts, made some good cleans. Overall a balanced effort.
Not how I saw it.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
For the same reason as savea i reckon I'm close to done with DMac.
I can understand the allure, when it goes right it goes very right, but is it balanced out by the untold errors and created pressure?
I'm quite torn on DMac and Beauden, I caused a bit of a stir when I said picking Beauden for this test wasn't all that controversial as I think they are much of a muchness really. Personally I'd have DMac starting at 10 just on account of his kicking game, as we can struggle to get out of our half when on the back foot otherwise.
But outside of that both players go from the sublime to the ridiculous far too often for test match footy.
Hard disagree. McKenzie kicked the ball away badly once (and fortuitously grabbed the rebound). He also threw an intercept - which really doesn't count, as it was under penalty advantage so why not.
Aside from that , his decision-making was pretty conservative - he took contact in preference to trying too much on several occasions.My takeaway was he danced around and then flat footed just popped it to a stationary forward to get smashed.
An the same thing can be described as: he looked for gaps, and made/took a few half-gaps - and when there wasn't one he recycled and maintained possession.
And are you going to rubbish other players for similar/worse poor options? How about Roigard for ignoring Jordie inside him who would have scored? And for his bizarre kick to nobody on attack?
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
For the same reason as savea i reckon I'm close to done with DMac.
I can understand the allure, when it goes right it goes very right, but is it balanced out by the untold errors and created pressure?
I'm quite torn on DMac and Beauden, I caused a bit of a stir when I said picking Beauden for this test wasn't all that controversial as I think they are much of a muchness really. Personally I'd have DMac starting at 10 just on account of his kicking game, as we can struggle to get out of our half when on the back foot otherwise.
But outside of that both players go from the sublime to the ridiculous far too often for test match footy.
Hard disagree. McKenzie kicked the ball away badly once (and fortuitously grabbed the rebound). He also threw an intercept - which really doesn't count, as it was under penalty advantage so why not.
Aside from that , his decision-making was pretty conservative - he took contact in preference to trying too much on several occasions.My takeaway was he danced around and then flat footed just popped it to a stationary forward to get smashed.
An the same thing can be described as: he looked for gaps, and made/took a few half-gaps - and when there wasn't one he recycled and maintained possession.
And are you going to rubbish other players for similar/worse poor options? How about Roigard for ignoring Jordie inside him who would have scored? And for his bizarre kick to nobody on attack?
Oh now I see how this game is played: If I respond to a comment at odds with my opinion I then need to apply that analysis/ criticism to every other player too.
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I felt that tackle by Tupaea on Taofifenua was a sliding door moment and potentially saved Razor's butt given how easily they were scoring points when they got into our 22.
Great work from Tupaea.
@brodean said in All Blacks v France I:
I felt that tackle by Tupaea on Taofifenua was a sliding door moment and potentially saved Razor's butt given how easily they were scoring points when they got into our 22.
Great work from Tupaea.
So he did his job to make a tackle. We applauding guys who make their tackles now?
This take is courtesy of the Fern logic
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France I:
I felt that tackle by Tupaea on Taofifenua was a sliding door moment and potentially saved Razor's butt given how easily they were scoring points when they got into our 22.
Great work from Tupaea.
So he did his job to make a tackle. We applauding guys who make their tackles now?
This take is courtesy of the Fern logic
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France I:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France I:
I felt that tackle by Tupaea on Taofifenua was a sliding door moment and potentially saved Razor's butt given how easily they were scoring points when they got into our 22.
Great work from Tupaea.
So he did his job to make a tackle. We applauding guys who make their tackles now?
This take is courtesy of the Fern logic
The guy is over 2m, 140kg and had worked up some pace. Tupaea tackled him front on so he turned over the ball. He did better than a bunch of our forwards did at stopping those big french forwards in their tracks.
That guy has smashed through our line in previous tests.
It was a great tackle 5 or 10 metres from the try line
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France I:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France I:
I felt that tackle by Tupaea on Taofifenua was a sliding door moment and potentially saved Razor's butt given how easily they were scoring points when they got into our 22.
Great work from Tupaea.
So he did his job to make a tackle. We applauding guys who make their tackles now?
This take is courtesy of the Fern logic
The guy is over 2m, 140kg and had worked up some pace. Tupaea tackled him front on so he turned over the ball. He did better than a bunch of our forwards did at stopping those big french forwards in their tracks.
That guy has smashed through our line in previous tests.
It was a great tackle 5 or 10 metres from the try line
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Can someone explain to me why, when we get penalty advantage, we try some low percentage bullshit the very first phase, more often than not immediately turning it over. We do this despite the very firm knowledge the ref will give you 15 free phases if you want them.
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Can someone explain to me why, when we get penalty advantage, we try some low percentage bullshit the very first phase, more often than not immediately turning it over. We do this despite the very firm knowledge the ref will give you 15 free phases if you want them.
@mariner4life smarts...or lack thereof.
Especially when on the 22 or closer, you know it's pretty much going until you score, lose possession or opposition offend again
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Can someone explain to me why, when we get penalty advantage, we try some low percentage bullshit the very first phase, more often than not immediately turning it over. We do this despite the very firm knowledge the ref will give you 15 free phases if you want them.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Can someone explain to me why, when we get penalty advantage, we try some low percentage bullshit the very first phase, more often than not immediately turning it over. We do this despite the very firm knowledge the ref will give you 15 free phases if you want them.
https://media.tenor.com/0gqwZ0fXVB4AAAAM/forrest-gump-stupid.gif
We just aren't a particularly smart side right now. Reminds me of the AB sides that used to get pumped by the Gregan Larkham Wallabies. We shoot ourselves in the foot a lot. Hopefully we will wise up in the near future. Not gonna hold my breath
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks v France I:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France I:
@frugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France I:
I hugely disagree about him dominating the lineout. I think Tuipulotu or Lord would've gone just as well against that French side.Holland is basically the Blackadder of locks.
Holy shit I’ve officially heard it all now. This might go down as one of the worst takes of 2025 on the fern.
Not really, the fern hates people who work hard. We want highlights!
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
Not really, the fern hates people who work hard. We want highlights!
Doesn't really explain the Akira/Hosea hate from some, or perhaps it does!
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Can someone explain to me why, when we get penalty advantage, we try some low percentage bullshit the very first phase, more often than not immediately turning it over. We do this despite the very firm knowledge the ref will give you 15 free phases if you want them.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Can someone explain to me why, when we get penalty advantage, we try some low percentage bullshit the very first phase, more often than not immediately turning it over. We do this despite the very firm knowledge the ref will give you 15 free phases if you want them.
In recent years I believe the chances of scoring from long phases has gotten lower. You score in the first three or the defence gets too set. It may even be lower than the speculative kick.
The chances of scoring from a lineout drive or not long after are high. Might as well roll the dice and then just get to the lineout
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
Not really, the fern hates people who work hard. We want highlights!
Doesn't really explain the Akira/Hosea hate from some, or perhaps it does!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
Not really, the fern hates people who work hard. We want highlights!
Doesn't really explain the Akira/Hosea hate from some, or perhaps it does!
Rico was always the favorite
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I hate that he gets no credit for beating 3 dudes
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Can someone explain to me why, when we get penalty advantage, we try some low percentage bullshit the very first phase, more often than not immediately turning it over. We do this despite the very firm knowledge the ref will give you 15 free phases if you want them.
In recent years I believe the chances of scoring from long phases has gotten lower. You score in the first three or the defence gets too set. It may even be lower than the speculative kick.
The chances of scoring from a lineout drive or not long after are high. Might as well roll the dice and then just get to the lineout
@Duluth said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Can someone explain to me why, when we get penalty advantage, we try some low percentage bullshit the very first phase, more often than not immediately turning it over. We do this despite the very firm knowledge the ref will give you 15 free phases if you want them.
In recent years I believe the chances of scoring from long phases has gotten lower. You score in the first three or the defence gets too set. It may even be lower than the speculative kick.
The chances of scoring from a lineout drive or not long after are high. Might as well roll the dice and then just get to the lineout
First 3 being the key here though, doesn’t have to be first 1! I’d still much rather we showed a bit of patience and used the (IMO stupid) advantage laws to maximum advantage. Attack with some abandon sure, but no need to take a 3% play on the first phase
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Can someone explain to me why, when we get penalty advantage, we try some low percentage bullshit the very first phase, more often than not immediately turning it over. We do this despite the very firm knowledge the ref will give you 15 free phases if you want them.
In recent years I believe the chances of scoring from long phases has gotten lower. You score in the first three or the defence gets too set. It may even be lower than the speculative kick.
The chances of scoring from a lineout drive or not long after are high. Might as well roll the dice and then just get to the lineout
@Duluth said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Can someone explain to me why, when we get penalty advantage, we try some low percentage bullshit the very first phase, more often than not immediately turning it over. We do this despite the very firm knowledge the ref will give you 15 free phases if you want them.
In recent years I believe the chances of scoring from long phases has gotten lower. You score in the first three or the defence gets too set. It may even be lower than the speculative kick.
The chances of scoring from a lineout drive or not long after are high. Might as well roll the dice and then just get to the lineout
That may be true, but I think it's a prime example of a statistic in isolation obscuring the reality of the overall picture. It's frequently multiple phases leading to an advantage, leading to multiple penalties, leading to a card, leading to try off a lineout from one of those infringements. And then frequently another score as a result of playing against 14. And the perception of the ref is that the defensive team is infringing repeatedly.
We're the team that doesn't press the advantage, and we're the team who supposedly gets carded more than our opposition.
