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All Blacks 2025

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    If you think this is a meltdown, then you've never seen the Fern in full on meltdown time.

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    • KirwanK Kirwan

      Extremely hard to argue against an anti-Blues bias. Getting to the point that it will affect our ability to attract talent, as players with AB ambitions will look at the Cantab Coaches and wonder if they have to move to be picked.

      Christie is only there as injury cover, and as soon as Barrett is back they'll boot Patrick who's playing fantastic.

      Forget the drama around Sotutu, which shows the coaches in a poor light, not picking Dalton is pathetic.

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      @Kirwan are you for real? Those “cantab” coaches selected 6 Crusaders in a 35 man squad…

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      • frugbyF frugby

        I’ve just watch Tupou Vaa’i put in some of the better back to back performances we’ve seen and Ardie Savea play great rugby back at openside, yet people are moaning about the loose forward mix?

        Sititi was great last year, deservedly comes back in and gets a go at 8. Parker, who was everyone’s favourite bolter also comes in presumably as the backup 8.

        Kirifi, who many wanted to be given a chance, is retained, and Lakai, who went past Papalii last year, and by most accounts is a very special player returns from injury.

        Squabbling about Sotutu (and Akira Ioane!) is a waste of time. They want fetchers at 7, and Papalii isn’t that.

        Jacobson possibly fortunate, but on paper he shapes as the last picked loosie anyway. This meltdown is crazy.

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        Kiwiwomble
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        @frugby since when does a few passing comments = a meltdown, wild take

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          How dare any of us question the coaches?

          Razor is always right.

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          • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

            @frugby since when does a few passing comments = a meltdown, wild take

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            @Kiwiwomble People are moaning for moaning sake - it’s boring. The loosies went well against France, and the only changes are the addition of Parker and Lakai.

            Papalii was only ever there as cover, as I say they want a fetcher at 7, and he is not that. The things Papalii did well, don’t compliment the rest of the trio.

            I think the big positive is the coaches have actually identified what they want each position to do, they clearly want a huge blindside who is a lineout option (Vaa’i, Parker & Finau), a fetcher at 7, and a ball playing eight.

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              Supposedly they are looking for size and that’s why Parker is there and they played Va’ii at 6. But then they select Lakai, who is far smaller than Blackadder, Grace, Papalii, Lio-Willie etc. Makes very little sense.

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                @Kirwan are you for real? Those “cantab” coaches selected 6 Crusaders in a 35 man squad…

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                @Stag yep no overwhelming cantab bias this season. Last year social media did go into rage when Fihaki and Bell were around the team. Truth is Taylor, Williams, Newell, Barrett & Jordan obviously in our best 23. Preston gets in as cover ok but he's just cover. Reece well here's hoping 1 of the chiefs wingers can leap ahead of him

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                  If the coaches think Dalton Papalii isn't a fetcher, then coach him to be a fetcher. To dismiss him as "not a fetcher" shows a closed mindset.

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                    #4739

                    Reminds me of the Wayne Smith ABs, and also the Mitchell Blacks. They tried to play fast and wide, but IIRC we were undone by teams that took us to task up the guts. If the Lions series suggested anything, it's the importance of the collision area and the breakdown (surprise surprise)

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                    • sparkyS sparky

                      If the coaches think Dalton Papalii isn't a fetcher, then coach him to be a fetcher. To dismiss him as "not a fetcher" shows a closed mindset.

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                      @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                      If the coaches think Dalton Papalii isn't a fetcher, then coach him to be a fetcher. To dismiss him as "not a fetcher" shows a closed mindset.

                      Perhaps they tried that last year when he was in the squad and it didn't take

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                          On the positive side, I think Simon Parker has the potential to play several Tests for the ABs and Leroy Carter is a raw talent. I am intrigued to see how they go if selected in a Test 23.

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                            kidcalder
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                            Surprised Christie has made himself available as I thought he would try to make Scots WC squad as he would be qualified by then.
                            Better shot there than AB 's WC27

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                              Folau Fakatava could opt to play for Tonga in RWC 2027.

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                                pakman
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                                I think we can expect Savea to split his playing minutes between 7 and 8.
                                If he starts at 8, Sititi on bench, and then RD can move to 7 when Wally comes on.

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                                  Just to trigger the Jaffa's, Gods gift to the Centres isn't considered a centre anymore.

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                                  • GrooterG Grooter

                                    @Stag yep no overwhelming cantab bias this season. Last year social media did go into rage when Fihaki and Bell were around the team. Truth is Taylor, Williams, Newell, Barrett & Jordan obviously in our best 23. Preston gets in as cover ok but he's just cover. Reece well here's hoping 1 of the chiefs wingers can leap ahead of him

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                                    @Grooter the only cantab bias has been between your ears…

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                                        brodean
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                                        The elephant in the room is we have 4 Chiefs loose forwards plus Vaa'i in the squad now and they failed to deliver in the quarter this year, the final this year, and multiple other finals over the last few years.

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                                          The elephant in the room is we have 4 Chiefs loose forwards plus Vaa'i in the squad now and they failed to deliver in the quarter this year, the final this year, and multiple other finals over the last few years.

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                                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          The elephant in the room is we have 4 Chiefs loose forwards plus Vaa'i in the squad now and they failed to deliver in the quarter this year, the final this year, and multiple other finals over the last few years.

                                          your focus it on wrong positions. we loss final because our reserve props struggled and our back three couldn't catch a bomb. the fact that two of the 3 back three are in this team is what you should be worried about.

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