All Blacks 2025
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I understand the calls for Love, but Reihana? He should be a long way off. I would rather see Jacomb if we really had to pick someone.
Jacomb looked way out of his league playing for the Barbarians team.
Yeah I don't see what Jacomb has that would make him better. Both still fairly young though? I'm inclined to ignore NPC for the most part anyway - certainly is interesting to judge players on that rather than SR.
Reihana had a handful of Super Rugby standard games this season. No better than that. My point is, our up and coming 10s are not that good at the moment. Not advocating for Jacomb, just saying I would look at him before Reihana. Neither one of them are AB standard.
If the slop dished up by BB at 10 for the past 5 years or so is AB standard, then it's hardly high praise.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
We did something similar with Sonny Bill Williams which turned out alright, even if the circus around him was nauseating at times.
We did it again with Roger Tuisava-Sheck who never really seemed at home in Rugby.
SBW was a crazy athlete - if he got the positioning and skills he was going to succeed in some format.
Was he really ? Great beach muscles but was he noticably faster, fitter, stronger than others ?
Ma’a Nonu blasted through tackles better than he did, J Savea, R Ioane etc were quicker.
If you want to compare him to our greatest 12, a wing who had a peak as high as any in world rugby and the best athlete in the team, then go for it. It may not make the point you are trying to make though.
He was a pretty remarkable dude, carried a big frame with him and some serious muscle.
Genuine freak athlete, despite not having the all round ability of those who came through playing rugby all their lives.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I understand the calls for Love, but Reihana? He should be a long way off. I would rather see Jacomb if we really had to pick someone.
Jacomb looked way out of his league playing for the Barbarians team.
Yeah I don't see what Jacomb has that would make him better. Both still fairly young though? I'm inclined to ignore NPC for the most part anyway - certainly is interesting to judge players on that rather than SR.
Reihana had a handful of Super Rugby standard games this season. No better than that. My point is, our up and coming 10s are not that good at the moment. Not advocating for Jacomb, just saying I would look at him before Reihana. Neither one of them are AB standard.
If the slop dished up by BB at 10 for the past 5 years or so is AB standard, then it's hardly high praise.
No arguement from me there. I have never rated BB as an outstanding 10, even when he was in his prime.
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Mo'unga's strength in SR was his ability to wait for, identify a mismatch and exploit his acceleration to best effect. Not sure spending a few years playing giggle ball in Japan as he ages is going to make him a clear best option when he comes back.
Which concerns me greatly about Captain Combover's coaching if he's hanging his hopes on him.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Captain Combover's
He's had a promotion from Crafty to Captain?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I understand the calls for Love, but Reihana? He should be a long way off. I would rather see Jacomb if we really had to pick someone.
Jacomb looked way out of his league playing for the Barbarians team.
Yeah I don't see what Jacomb has that would make him better. Both still fairly young though? I'm inclined to ignore NPC for the most part anyway - certainly is interesting to judge players on that rather than SR.
Reihana had a handful of Super Rugby standard games this season. No better than that. My point is, our up and coming 10s are not that good at the moment. Not advocating for Jacomb, just saying I would look at him before Reihana. Neither one of them are AB standard.
This is bang on.
We lament the same blokes failing in black. But no one is banging the door down behind them.
Our talent pathways are looking sketchy
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I understand the calls for Love, but Reihana? He should be a long way off. I would rather see Jacomb if we really had to pick someone.
Jacomb looked way out of his league playing for the Barbarians team.
Yeah I don't see what Jacomb has that would make him better. Both still fairly young though? I'm inclined to ignore NPC for the most part anyway - certainly is interesting to judge players on that rather than SR.
Reihana had a handful of Super Rugby standard games this season. No better than that. My point is, our up and coming 10s are not that good at the moment. Not advocating for Jacomb, just saying I would look at him before Reihana. Neither one of them are AB standard.
This is bang on.
We lament the same blokes failing in black. But no one is banging the door down behind them.
Our talent pathways are looking sketchy
I dunno, no one is getting a chance to prove otherwise either, are they?
You wouldn't exactly say Holland was banging down the door looking like a superstar either, but he's been given a proper chance and is shaping up nicely.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I understand the calls for Love, but Reihana? He should be a long way off. I would rather see Jacomb if we really had to pick someone.
Jacomb looked way out of his league playing for the Barbarians team.
Yeah I don't see what Jacomb has that would make him better. Both still fairly young though? I'm inclined to ignore NPC for the most part anyway - certainly is interesting to judge players on that rather than SR.
Reihana had a handful of Super Rugby standard games this season. No better than that. My point is, our up and coming 10s are not that good at the moment. Not advocating for Jacomb, just saying I would look at him before Reihana. Neither one of them are AB standard.
This is bang on.
We lament the same blokes failing in black. But no one is banging the door down behind them.
Our talent pathways are looking sketchy
I dunno, no one is getting a chance to prove otherwise either, are they?
You wouldn't exactly say Holland was banging down the door looking like a superstar either, but he's been given a proper chance and is shaping up nicely.
And Harry Plummer drove that Blues team to a championship, outplaying DMac on the way, and showing a skill set that appeared to be desirable at test level. But apparently he wasn't up to test level
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Captain Combover's
He's had a promotion from Crafty to Captain?
The only cunning element is the level he'll go to to get the band back together.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Captain Combover's
He's had a promotion from Crafty to Captain?
The only cunning element is the level he'll go to to get the band back together.
Sam Whitelock to return in a player-coach role.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
I understand the calls for Love, but Reihana? He should be a long way off. I would rather see Jacomb if we really had to pick someone.
Jacomb looked way out of his league playing for the Barbarians team.
Yeah I don't see what Jacomb has that would make him better. Both still fairly young though? I'm inclined to ignore NPC for the most part anyway - certainly is interesting to judge players on that rather than SR.
Reihana had a handful of Super Rugby standard games this season. No better than that. My point is, our up and coming 10s are not that good at the moment. Not advocating for Jacomb, just saying I would look at him before Reihana. Neither one of them are AB standard.
This is bang on.
We lament the same blokes failing in black. But no one is banging the door down behind them.
Our talent pathways are looking sketchy
Not sure we can write off promising talent so easily. Particularly when they see ex-players being openly courted by the coaching set-up after heading for the big overseas moolah.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Captain Combover's
He's had a promotion from Crafty to Captain?
I actually mis-read Crafty as Crotty. And then thought "Why not?"
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
I think we got a bit of potential at 10 with young fellas, like Simpson and Cole. Only kids , but I see them as future, probably 3-5 years away, but thats is what it is. I still reckon Jacomb will be ok to fill in as he gets experience.
Yeah it feels like we are in a holding pattern for now, with no one seemingly ready. It can change quickly though, it wasnt long ago we were worried about 9, now we have some good options there.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
I think we got a bit of potential at 10 with young fellas, like Simpson and Cole. Only kids , but I see them as future, probably 3-5 years away, but thats is what it is. I still reckon Jacomb will be ok to fill in as he gets experience.
Yeah it feels like we are in a holding pattern for now, with no one seemingly ready. It can change quickly though, it wasnt long ago we were worried about 9, now we have some good options there.
It would help if Razor (and Fozzie before him) would select the form 10s of SR and see what they can do. Say what you want about Plummer, and Reihana after him. They played significant roles in helping their teams win SR titles and deserved some consideration. Love showed ability at the position until Laidlaw moved him back to 15. It's about time some of these guys were given a fair go in the squad, both in terms of coaching and real playing time in real matches
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
This silly meme has always made me chuckle, the fact it’s true makes Razor seem all the more ridiculous in his Moungaism
You could make the same meme for Steve Hansen with Aaron Cruden at No 1, and Beauden Barret acting like a entitled champion with an interior win rate.
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@tubbyj for sure, Aaron Cruden was a much better 10 than Beauden, what we'd give for someone of his class right now
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
This silly meme has always made me chuckle, the fact it’s true makes Razor seem all the more ridiculous in his Moungaism
You could make the same meme for Steve Hansen with Aaron Cruden at No 1, and Beauden Barret acting like a entitled champion with an interior win rate.
Can you do it ? I’m not very tech savvy
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