All Blacks 2025
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The whole thing fucks me off. If it were a club team, I'd hope that the whole thing would blow up in Robertson's face, that McKenzie would leave, then Mounga would come back and suck, and the team lose terribly as a direct result
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I'm far from delighted about this deal.
Watching two World Cup failures where we built the team around Richie Mo'unga was depressing enough. His limitations were ruthlessly exposed by England in Yokohama in 2019 and the Springboks in Paris in 2023. I doubt he's learned to manage limited time on the ball against an extremely organised rushed defence since.
I do not wish to see us lose a third World Cup because of Richie Mo'unga's average game management skills.
If he really is our best First Five and worth all the money NZR is throwing at him, then why aren't we making him available for the five-week tour of South Africa next year?
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
I'm far from delighted about this deal.
Watching two World Cup failures where we built the team around Richie Mo'unga was depressing enough. His limitations were ruthlessly exposed by England in Yokohama in 2019 and the Springboks in Paris in 2023. I doubt he's learned to manage limited time on the ball against an extremely organised rushed defence since.
I do not wish to see us lose a third World Cup because of Richie Mo'unga's average game management skills.
If he really is our best First Five and worth all the money NZR is throwing at him, then why aren't we making him available for the five-week tour of South Africa next year?
2019 sure he wasn’t at his best in the semi, but we simply got out muscled and out coached.
2023 final he was very good with his only error was missing that goal kick. He got us moving forward plenty.
Let’s just see how he goes when he returns. He was playing well in Japan but we’ve seen only one or two come back better to NZ from their time there with many not returning to their once AB test form.
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There are a few comments here suggesting Mo’unga is still going to have to play well once back in New Zealand, before he makes the All Blacks and if he isn’t up to it, he’ll be dropped.
The problem is, if Robertson thinks he has his answer at first five in Mo’unga, he isn’t going to bother with a plan B. Mo’unga turns out to be awful upon return and it’s Barrett at first five for the World Cup.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
Rubbish, I would like Sam's return to be true though.
Your very next post was about a player moving
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@Bones Since when is a comment about him hypothetically being in talks with Rugby 360 being about a player moving? Probably could be his next move, who knows, dude must be loaded.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
This silly meme has always made me chuckle, the fact it’s true makes Razor seem all the more ridiculous in his Moungaism
You could make the same meme for Steve Hansen with Aaron Cruden at No 1, and Beauden Barret acting like a entitled champion with an interior win rate.
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
This silly meme has always made me chuckle, the fact it’s true makes Razor seem all the more ridiculous in his Moungaism
You could make the same meme for Steve Hansen with Aaron Cruden at No 1, and Beauden Barret acting like a entitled champion with an interior win rate.
That decisions from Hanse has had dire consequences for the ABs for the last decade.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
If i was DMac i would have my agent on the phone now and get the fuck out. Take that money Damo, and cheers for the Chiefs memories.
What are the odds Rivez Reihana follows suit a la Harry Plummer?
It would be odd for a super rugby rookie who was injured a majority of the season, who won a super rugby title, left because he wasn’t in the frame for the 2027 RWC? Delusions of grandeur if he thought Mounga signing for 2 years would do his career prospects in NZ any harm
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
If i was DMac i would have my agent on the phone now and get the fuck out. Take that money Damo, and cheers for the Chiefs memories.
What are the odds Rivez Reihana follows suit a la Harry Plummer?
It would be odd for a super rugby rookie who was injured a majority of the season, who won a super rugby title, left because he wasn’t in the frame for the 2027 RWC? Delusions of grandeur if he thought Mounga signing for 2 years would do his career prospects in NZ any harm
Lets face it. Their are 3 players ahead of him lesding up to the 2027 RWC.
Once its finished, those players will be not be in NZ anymore
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
If i was DMac i would have my agent on the phone now and get the fuck out. Take that money Damo, and cheers for the Chiefs memories.
What are the odds Rivez Reihana follows suit a la Harry Plummer?
It would be odd for a super rugby rookie who was injured a majority of the season, who won a super rugby title, left because he wasn’t in the frame for the 2027 RWC? Delusions of grandeur if he thought Mounga signing for 2 years would do his career prospects in NZ any harm
Lets face it. Their are 3 players ahead of him lesding up to the 2027 RWC.
Once its finished, those players will be not be in NZ anymore
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
If i was DMac i would have my agent on the phone now and get the fuck out. Take that money Damo, and cheers for the Chiefs memories.
What are the odds Rivez Reihana follows suit a la Harry Plummer?
It would be odd for a super rugby rookie who was injured a majority of the season, who won a super rugby title, left because he wasn’t in the frame for the 2027 RWC? Delusions of grandeur if he thought Mounga signing for 2 years would do his career prospects in NZ any harm
Lets face it. Their are 3 players ahead of him lesding up to the 2027 RWC.
You may want to tell the coach.
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Going to be interesting with mounga , I get the impression razor also thought Blackadder may have been the answer at 6 at international level until he saw it is different to super rugby.
I don’t have a problem with it being tried , just hope he isn’t putting all his eggs in one basket.
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Going to be interesting with mounga , I get the impression razor also thought Blackadder may have been the answer at 6 at international level until he saw it is different to super rugby.
I don’t have a problem with it being tried , just hope he isn’t putting all his eggs in one basket.
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
Going to be interesting with mounga , I get the impression razor also thought Blackadder may have been the answer at 6 at international level until he saw it is different to super rugby.
I don’t have a problem with it being tried , just hope he isn’t putting all his eggs in one basket.
I don't want his man love to cloud his judgement any more than it already is. The fact that he has appeared to have moved on from Blackadder is promising. But he has already let one quality SR 10 leave, and favours one who is diminished over a guy who may not be the answer but is probably worth more of a punt than he's got to date
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
Going to be interesting with mounga , I get the impression razor also thought Blackadder may have been the answer at 6 at international level until he saw it is different to super rugby.
I don’t have a problem with it being tried , just hope he isn’t putting all his eggs in one basket.
I don't want his man love to cloud his judgement any more than it already is. The fact that he has appeared to have moved on from Blackadder is promising. But he has already let one quality SR 10 leave, and favours one who is diminished over a guy who may not be the answer but is probably worth more of a punt than he's got to date
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
Going to be interesting with mounga , I get the impression razor also thought Blackadder may have been the answer at 6 at international level until he saw it is different to super rugby.
I don’t have a problem with it being tried , just hope he isn’t putting all his eggs in one basket.
I don't want his man love to cloud his judgement any more than it already is. The fact that he has appeared to have moved on from Blackadder is promising. But he has already let one quality SR 10 leave, and favours one who is diminished over a guy who may not be the answer but is probably worth more of a punt than he's got to date
I am not so sure he has moved on from Blackadder. Someone suggested Blackadder has been quite unwell. If true, I'd imagine Razor would know that and that Blackadder will be off his usual game. It could be a case of taking the chance to look at others while Blackadder is down.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
Going to be interesting with mounga , I get the impression razor also thought Blackadder may have been the answer at 6 at international level until he saw it is different to super rugby.
I don’t have a problem with it being tried , just hope he isn’t putting all his eggs in one basket.
I don't want his man love to cloud his judgement any more than it already is. The fact that he has appeared to have moved on from Blackadder is promising. But he has already let one quality SR 10 leave, and favours one who is diminished over a guy who may not be the answer but is probably worth more of a punt than he's got to date
I am not so sure he has moved on from Blackadder. Someone suggested Blackadder has been quite unwell. If true, I'd imagine Razor would know that and that Blackadder will be off his usual game. It could be a case of taking the chance to look at others while Blackadder is down.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
Going to be interesting with mounga , I get the impression razor also thought Blackadder may have been the answer at 6 at international level until he saw it is different to super rugby.
I don’t have a problem with it being tried , just hope he isn’t putting all his eggs in one basket.
I don't want his man love to cloud his judgement any more than it already is. The fact that he has appeared to have moved on from Blackadder is promising. But he has already let one quality SR 10 leave, and favours one who is diminished over a guy who may not be the answer but is probably worth more of a punt than he's got to date
I am not so sure he has moved on from Blackadder. Someone suggested Blackadder has been quite unwell. If true, I'd imagine Razor would know that and that Blackadder will be off his usual game. It could be a case of taking the chance to look at others while Blackadder is down.
That makes me unhappy.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
Going to be interesting with mounga , I get the impression razor also thought Blackadder may have been the answer at 6 at international level until he saw it is different to super rugby.
I don’t have a problem with it being tried , just hope he isn’t putting all his eggs in one basket.
I don't want his man love to cloud his judgement any more than it already is. The fact that he has appeared to have moved on from Blackadder is promising. But he has already let one quality SR 10 leave, and favours one who is diminished over a guy who may not be the answer but is probably worth more of a punt than he's got to date
I am not so sure he has moved on from Blackadder. Someone suggested Blackadder has been quite unwell. If true, I'd imagine Razor would know that and that Blackadder will be off his usual game. It could be a case of taking the chance to look at others while Blackadder is down.
That makes me unhappy.
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
Going to be interesting with mounga , I get the impression razor also thought Blackadder may have been the answer at 6 at international level until he saw it is different to super rugby.
I don’t have a problem with it being tried , just hope he isn’t putting all his eggs in one basket.
I don't want his man love to cloud his judgement any more than it already is. The fact that he has appeared to have moved on from Blackadder is promising. But he has already let one quality SR 10 leave, and favours one who is diminished over a guy who may not be the answer but is probably worth more of a punt than he's got to date
I am not so sure he has moved on from Blackadder. Someone suggested Blackadder has been quite unwell. If true, I'd imagine Razor would know that and that Blackadder will be off his usual game. It could be a case of taking the chance to look at others while Blackadder is down.
That makes me unhappy.
Can't say I noticed him being off his usual game ...
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
Going to be interesting with mounga , I get the impression razor also thought Blackadder may have been the answer at 6 at international level until he saw it is different to super rugby.
I don’t have a problem with it being tried , just hope he isn’t putting all his eggs in one basket.
I don't want his man love to cloud his judgement any more than it already is. The fact that he has appeared to have moved on from Blackadder is promising. But he has already let one quality SR 10 leave, and favours one who is diminished over a guy who may not be the answer but is probably worth more of a punt than he's got to date
I am not so sure he has moved on from Blackadder. Someone suggested Blackadder has been quite unwell. If true, I'd imagine Razor would know that and that Blackadder will be off his usual game. It could be a case of taking the chance to look at others while Blackadder is down.
That makes me unhappy.
Can't say I noticed him being off his usual game ...
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
Going to be interesting with mounga , I get the impression razor also thought Blackadder may have been the answer at 6 at international level until he saw it is different to super rugby.
I don’t have a problem with it being tried , just hope he isn’t putting all his eggs in one basket.
I don't want his man love to cloud his judgement any more than it already is. The fact that he has appeared to have moved on from Blackadder is promising. But he has already let one quality SR 10 leave, and favours one who is diminished over a guy who may not be the answer but is probably worth more of a punt than he's got to date
I am not so sure he has moved on from Blackadder. Someone suggested Blackadder has been quite unwell. If true, I'd imagine Razor would know that and that Blackadder will be off his usual game. It could be a case of taking the chance to look at others while Blackadder is down.
That makes me unhappy.
Can't say I noticed him being off his usual game ...
Me neither, but he copped a bit after the first week of NPC when some thought he was a lot quieter than expected. That's when someone claimed he had been pretty sick.
