All Blacks 2025
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Paddy Tups with a fractured scull. Won’t see him again this year I suspect.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2025:
Paddy Tups with a fractured scull. Won’t see him again this year I suspect.
That's terrible news. He's done a great job this year.
Hopefully he willl see that doctor who healed Waisake Naholo's leg a few years ago and be back for the EOYT.
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Is it fair to say the current backline is the worst of the twenties? Just seems to have gone from bad to worse in the Razor era.
Luckily we have one of the strongest 1 to 6 this century and depth there too
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Is it fair to say the current backline is the worst of the twenties? Just seems to have gone from bad to worse in the Razor era.
Luckily we have one of the strongest 1 to 6 this century and depth there too
Savea 7 , Sititi 8 and Roigard 9. You can just about make a case 1 to 9.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Is it fair to say the current backline is the worst of the twenties? Just seems to have gone from bad to worse in the Razor era.
Luckily we have one of the strongest 1 to 6 this century and depth there too
Savea 7 , Sititi 8 and Roigard 9. You can just about make a case 1 to 9.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Is it fair to say the current backline is the worst of the twenties? Just seems to have gone from bad to worse in the Razor era.
Luckily we have one of the strongest 1 to 6 this century and depth there too
Savea 7 , Sititi 8 and Roigard 9. You can just about make a case 1 to 9.
Not even close to this century I'd say. Debatable even this decade.
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Is it fair to say the current backline is the worst of the twenties? Just seems to have gone from bad to worse in the Razor era.
Luckily we have one of the strongest 1 to 6 this century and depth there too
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Luckily we have one of the strongest 1 to 6 this century and depth there too
It's nice to win the first four games of the season, but let's see how we go next week, then again the Boks, the Wobs and against the British Isles teams.
A long way to go this year.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
Alternatively the 10 is giving him what he wants.
Chaos? He's on record saying he wants fast pace, wide running rugby. So I guess that's what he's trying to give us, from Wayne Smith's playbook, or what he understands as his playbook
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
Alternatively the 10 is giving him what he wants.
Chaos? He's on record saying he wants fast pace, wide running rugby. So I guess that's what he's trying to give us, from Wayne Smith's playbook, or what he understands as his playbook
He should tell the backs to pass the ball wide a bit faster then, rather than shovel it along the line.
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Paddy Tups with a fractured scull. Won’t see him again this year I suspect.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2025:
Paddy Tups with a fractured scull. Won’t see him again this year I suspect.
Fark. On multiple levels.
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Sometimes I think JB kicking it 60m down town would be a good option.
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Sometimes I think JB kicking it 60m down town would be a good option.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
Sometimes I think JB kicking it 60m down town would be a good option.
Sometimes?
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Paddy Tups with a fractured scull. Won’t see him again this year I suspect.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2025:
Paddy Tups with a fractured scull. Won’t see him again this year I suspect.
Why are we getting so many injuries this year? Massive blow.
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Paddy Tups with a fractured scull. Won’t see him again this year I suspect.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2025:
Paddy Tups with a fractured scull. Won’t see him again this year I suspect.
Big shame for himself and the team , in a purple patch of form , great weapon off the bench like he was way back in about 2014 ? before the hip surgery
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@brodean Jordie Barrett and Will Jordan are outstanding, so is Cam Roigard when he's fit. Options beyond that are rather thin.
I can't helping them we need to be a bit braver at picking backs who impress in Super Rugby and the NPC ahead of old staggers.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean Jordie Barrett and Will Jordan are outstanding, so is Cam Roigard when he's fit. Options beyond that are rather thin.
I can't helping them we need to be a bit braver at picking backs who impress in Super Rugby and the NPC ahead of old staggers.
That's just individual brilliance at the moment though from JB, Jordan and Roigard. Im talking about a functional coordinated attack. A collective.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Is it fair to say the current backline is the worst of the twenties? Just seems to have gone from bad to worse in the Razor era.
Luckily we have one of the strongest 1 to 6 this century and depth there too
Savea 7 , Sititi 8 and Roigard 9. You can just about make a case 1 to 9.
Not even close to this century I'd say. Debatable even this decade.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Is it fair to say the current backline is the worst of the twenties? Just seems to have gone from bad to worse in the Razor era.
Luckily we have one of the strongest 1 to 6 this century and depth there too
Savea 7 , Sititi 8 and Roigard 9. You can just about make a case 1 to 9.
Not even close to this century I'd say. Debatable even this decade.
There were lots of periods this century when our tight five was mediocre. 2010 to 2017 was great. Lots of mediocrity for the rest of the time.
Our scrum, lineout and maul are keeping us in games while our backs squander good ball or are off the field with ill discipline.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
Sometimes I think JB kicking it 60m down town would be a good option.
Sometimes?
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
Sometimes I think JB kicking it 60m down town would be a good option.
Sometimes?
Ok, all day
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On the subject of the target RWC winning 10, the prototype would have to be Pollard, for at least the final 30.
Not sure any NZ 10 fits the mold.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Is it fair to say the current backline is the worst of the twenties? Just seems to have gone from bad to worse in the Razor era.
Luckily we have one of the strongest 1 to 6 this century and depth there too
Savea 7 , Sititi 8 and Roigard 9. You can just about make a case 1 to 9.
Not even close to this century I'd say. Debatable even this decade.
There were lots of periods this century when our tight five was mediocre. 2010 to 2017 was great. Lots of mediocrity for the rest of the time.
Our scrum, lineout and maul are keeping us in games while our backs squander good ball or are off the field with ill discipline.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Is it fair to say the current backline is the worst of the twenties? Just seems to have gone from bad to worse in the Razor era.
Luckily we have one of the strongest 1 to 6 this century and depth there too
Savea 7 , Sititi 8 and Roigard 9. You can just about make a case 1 to 9.
Not even close to this century I'd say. Debatable even this decade.
There were lots of periods this century when our tight five was mediocre. 2010 to 2017 was great. Lots of mediocrity for the rest of the time.
Our scrum, lineout and maul are keeping us in games while our backs squander good ball or are off the field with ill discipline.
Oh right ok, I'll concede that if you pick out all the mediocre tight 5's this century, this would be one of the strongest. Glad we got that sorted.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
TBF, no matches matter until the return of Atua Mo'unga in late 2026.
And TBF that's exactly how Mo'unga feels, and I'm not having a dig at him there as he's chasing the money like most people do in life. He doesn't value the AB tests between world cups so chooses to go and make as much money as he can in that time. Then in WC year he comes swooning back in to be eligible for that, and then leaves again straight after. It takes us down the path of anything outside of the WC is just a friendly if more and more players start doing the same thing.
And our idiot coach has just indulged this bullshit instead of trying to help protect NZ rugby from overseas clubs taking all of our talent from local competitions.
Maybe this is the way of the future, players coming and going will then morph into open eligibility. I am dead against it and I hope not. But Razor clearly doesn't give a crap about the status quo as a way to protect the jersey, and for what? It's not like he's rolling over for Dan Carter
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
TBF, no matches matter until the return of Atua Mo'unga in late 2026.
And TBF that's exactly how Mo'unga feels, and I'm not having a dig at him there as he's chasing the money like most people do in life. He doesn't value the AB tests between world cups so chooses to go and make as much money as he can in that time. Then in WC year he comes swooning back in to be eligible for that, and then leaves again straight after. It takes us down the path of anything outside of the WC is just a friendly if more and more players start doing the same thing.
And our idiot coach has just indulged this bullshit instead of trying to help protect NZ rugby from overseas clubs taking all of our talent from local competitions.
Maybe this is the way of the future, players coming and going will then morph into open eligibility. I am dead against it and I hope not. But Razor clearly doesn't give a crap about the status quo as a way to protect the jersey, and for what? It's not like he's rolling over for Dan Carter
And for what?
He wants to gibe himself and the team the best chance to win the RWC.
More power to him mate. Because if we dont give Razor all the resoirce he needs to win and the boks win again. We are going to have to put up with wven more shit from the saffas. Fuxk that
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life that's not really true, Dalton sat behind McCaw and Cane, the AB captains, and post Cane's retirement he's had scant little chances. He was strong for the Blues this year and is well suited to test footy, it beggars belief he wouldn't even be in the squad.
Lol he never sat behind McCaw and he’s had 36 appearances for the ABs, plenty of time to push for a starting jersey. If he was so suited to test rugby he would still be in the squad, obviously lacks a few ingredients in his game that the coaches are after. For me he never really dominated at test level, a bit like Blackadder. No point selecting the same blokes and expecting different results.
There are a lot of Dalton fans on this Fern which is fine because on form he’s good but you can’t argue against the other guys who have been selected, they’ve played better this year.
Maybe the best thing for him is to fight his way back into the ABs and earn that jersey again. Kudos to him if he does.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life that's not really true, Dalton sat behind McCaw and Cane, the AB captains, and post Cane's retirement he's had scant little chances. He was strong for the Blues this year and is well suited to test footy, it beggars belief he wouldn't even be in the squad.
Lol he never sat behind McCaw and he’s had 36 appearances for the ABs, plenty of time to push for a starting jersey. If he was so suited to test rugby he would still be in the squad, obviously lacks a few ingredients in his game that the coaches are after. For me he never really dominated at test level, a bit like Blackadder. No point selecting the same blokes and expecting different results.
There are a lot of Dalton fans on this Fern which is fine because on form he’s good but you can’t argue against the other guys who have been selected, they’ve played better this year.
Maybe the best thing for him is to fight his way back into the ABs and earn that jersey again. Kudos to him if he does.
He is young enough to adjust his game and make it back in. Would be a good test of chatscter if it he can do. Could be the making of him
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
TBF, no matches matter until the return of Atua Mo'unga in late 2026.
And TBF that's exactly how Mo'unga feels, and I'm not having a dig at him there as he's chasing the money like most people do in life. He doesn't value the AB tests between world cups so chooses to go and make as much money as he can in that time. Then in WC year he comes swooning back in to be eligible for that, and then leaves again straight after. It takes us down the path of anything outside of the WC is just a friendly if more and more players start doing the same thing.
And our idiot coach has just indulged this bullshit instead of trying to help protect NZ rugby from overseas clubs taking all of our talent from local competitions.
Maybe this is the way of the future, players coming and going will then morph into open eligibility. I am dead against it and I hope not. But Razor clearly doesn't give a crap about the status quo as a way to protect the jersey, and for what? It's not like he's rolling over for Dan Carter
And for what?
He wants to gibe himself and the team the best chance to win the RWC.
More power to him mate. Because if we dont give Razor all the resoirce he needs to win and the boks win again. We are going to have to put up with wven more shit from the saffas. Fuxk that
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
TBF, no matches matter until the return of Atua Mo'unga in late 2026.
And TBF that's exactly how Mo'unga feels, and I'm not having a dig at him there as he's chasing the money like most people do in life. He doesn't value the AB tests between world cups so chooses to go and make as much money as he can in that time. Then in WC year he comes swooning back in to be eligible for that, and then leaves again straight after. It takes us down the path of anything outside of the WC is just a friendly if more and more players start doing the same thing.
And our idiot coach has just indulged this bullshit instead of trying to help protect NZ rugby from overseas clubs taking all of our talent from local competitions.
Maybe this is the way of the future, players coming and going will then morph into open eligibility. I am dead against it and I hope not. But Razor clearly doesn't give a crap about the status quo as a way to protect the jersey, and for what? It's not like he's rolling over for Dan Carter
And for what?
He wants to gibe himself and the team the best chance to win the RWC.
More power to him mate. Because if we dont give Razor all the resoirce he needs to win and the boks win again. We are going to have to put up with wven more shit from the saffas. Fuxk that
We will see what kind of condition Richie M is in when he gets back, then we will see what. I will be pleasantly surprised if he comes back a superior player compared to when he left
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the tight 5 looks good, and, more importantly, seems to have a bit of depth about it.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
the tight 5 looks good, and, more importantly, seems to have a bit of depth about it.
3 deep in the front row. Locks looking good, not quite 3 deep.
The pack is coming together. Its our main weapon this RWC cycle which is great as a big forward pack, great set piece goes a long way to lifting a world cup
