All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I had a lot of hope for Razor, but honestly we’re lacking the basic structure that someone like Schmidt brings. Our play may have been more conservative under someone like that, but we’d have better fundamentals. He’s blooded a few new players, but essentially playing the same team/plan as Foster. Very disappointed with the lack of progression. Some areas have gone backwards.
This looked like the worst of the foster era today
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They made Fozzie sack his assistants (albeit from a worse position after a series loss to Ireland). Maybe the NZRU need to have a word with Razor about his assistant coaches now.
I actually wonder did Razor sack the wrong coach when he dumped Rangi MacDonald, I strongly suspect that the problem maybe in the back coaches we got?
He didn’t dump him, Leon walked. Tbh I was surprised he was there in the first place, as they’d fallen out previously
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To be fair losing in Argentina was always going to happen... we have gotten out of jail over there many times since I can remember. And they have already beaten us in nz which is a bigger milestone for them.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Old school?
NZR's relationship with the players was not good to put it mildly - money and marketing came before almost anything else.. And the treatment of the team management was simply appalling. Schmidt clearly had had enough.
Might to a mini book review and post it somewhere.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Last 20 minutes was terrible.
Panicking, no leadership, brain farts.I thought it was more they didn’t execute the basics well enough. They had field position, then didn’t win the lineout. Relieved pressure. When it went 26-20, they just needed to settle, kick for territory and squeeze the Pumas into a mistake (which they were making).
As it was, their exits were poor and they compounded that with yet another YC. One YC in a game is bad. But three!!! ABs may be the most carded team right now, but they have earned the reputation. Got to own it now and stop doing stupid shit. Hit lower, don’t change your line, don’t flap at the ball on your goal line!
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Jeez fellas. Where the fuck do we go from here?
We are in trouble and could lose every RC game from here on unless we make changes.
What exactly should those changes be?
New wingers Carter,Clarke if he's fit,a change at Reserve hooker McAlister in the 23 change the First five D Mac starts and a new mid fielder,Tupea,
Sitii starting at 8,Savea to the bench, better playing Kirifi.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Old school?
NZR's relationship with the players was not good to put it mildly - money and marketing came before almost anything else.. And the treatment of the team management was simply appalling. Schmidt clearly had had enough.
Might to a mini book review and post it somewhere.
So nothing to do with Razor himself, actually about the NZRFU.
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@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
How many 100 cap milestones have we lost?
Ardie’s 100th will be the next game. Bugger.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Old school?
NZR's relationship with the players was not good to put it mildly - money and marketing came before almost anything else.. And the treatment of the team management was simply appalling. Schmidt clearly had had enough.
Might to a mini book review and post it somewhere.
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/topic/267/tsf-book-club?_=1755991411219
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Razors ego wouldn't allow a Schmidt to come in.
Yes men only..
My uninformed opinionHeavy dose of the uninformed. I think you’ll find it the other way around…..
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Razors ego wouldn't allow a Schmidt to come in.
Yes men only..
My uninformed opinionHeavy dose of the uninformed. I think you’ll find it the other way around…..
The way Schmidt has turned things around with the Wallabies the ego is understandable
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Razors ego wouldn't allow a Schmidt to come in.
Yes men only..
My uninformed opinionMy semi-informed opinion was that Razor definitely wanted Schmidt, and the call came from Schmidt himself. He does enjoy the limelight, but Ray doesn’t have a particularly big ego.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Old school?
NZR's relationship with the players was not good to put it mildly - money and marketing came before almost anything else.. And the treatment of the team management was simply appalling. Schmidt clearly had had enough.
Might to a mini book review and post it somewhere.
So nothing to do with Razor himself, actually about the NZRFU.
Someone in NZRFU was briefing/leaking against Foster and his team (inc. Schmidt) right up until RWC2023. Book doesn't make any insinuations against Razor but it's pretty clear he would have been aware of what was going on.
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Incredibly deflating performance -- I had glimmers of hope which are now firmly extinguished.
Major issues imo which we don't seem to changing
Scooter --- I have to say if he wasn't the Capt he wouldn't be starting ...
Savea largely invisible today and not sure he got a turnover
Parker was good but taken off early, and Wallace looked good too.
9 & 10 CLUNCKY AS FARK .. not rhythm or game sense, Roigard and Hotham being sorely missed....
Jordie - solid but creates very little Id rather see him at center playing like Stirling Mortlock style with Quinn Tupaea at 12
Proctor is ok ... but not filling me with confidence...
then the back 3...
Rieko its time to go
Sevu not effective enough under high ball either and frankly what do we lose by giving some others an opportunity?
We need Jordan on the wing as he is the only one any good under the bombs so who goes to FB, and who's the other wing...... do we put Quinn at 12 and Jordie at FB.... I am not sure - but surely we need to do something.Over all , and this is at the leadership group and coaching - its a shit show, 3 YCs ffs. Surely you direct your team to hold the fucking ball when they are kicking so poorly, or adjust the game plan at a minimum
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Looking back at that period when Jordan and Vaa’i were in the bin, even though the Argies didn’t score a heap of points I thought they did a pretty good job of running us around and causing havoc.
I’ve said it a number of times particularly over the last few years, they are one of the more difficult sides to defend because they aren’t very disciplined in their attack.
They generally make a lot of errors though and turn the ball over, so when they limit that, they will always be in the game.
