All Blacks v Argentina II
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If I got the gig tomorrow id drop Beauden, ALB Rieko and Reece from the squad.
Id strip Scooter of the captaincy and give it to Ardie as a caretaker pending a long termer putting their hand up.
Id inject some effervescence into the backs with Roigard/Love at 9/10, Carter on a wing, Tangitau once fit on the other.Tupea or Tavatavanawai to 12, with Jordie to 15 and Jordan to the wing if needs be.
We need legs.
Happy to have Love at 10/15, Jordie at 12 or 15 and Jordan at 14 or 15 as required.
Can accept DMAC at 10 but want Beaudy gone forever. Tonight was appalling.
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Well, that was disappointing. I'm going to head out for a walk and then read back through the thread. Should be fun.
I assume, cos it's the fern, that Rieko will cop it the most despite getting little ball again (aside from the ball near the line leading to Proctors try) and despite the two Crusaders backs combining to give us 20 minutes with 14 men.
Choosing three for MOTM is going to be hard, might just have to go off the first half.
Shitty weekend of sport for me: Magpies lose, Hastings Boys lose, Warriors win but look shit doing it, AB's lose.
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Cue some c.unts on TV that the results are good for the competition.
Fuck off. I want us to dominate and everyone else to be depressed.@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Cue some c.unts on TV that the results are good for the competition.
Fuck off. I want us to dominate and everyone else to be depressed.Look at Rassie.
"I take full responsibility, that was dog shit".
Proceeds to drop 10 players :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
At least he did something. Heck he hooked Libbock in the first half of a RWC semi final.
Throw some lads under the bus. Shaft a few blokes. Make the environment uncomfortable.
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Cue some c.unts on TV that the results are good for the competition.
Fuck off. I want us to dominate and everyone else to be depressed.@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Cue some c.unts on TV that the results are good for the competition.
Fuck off. I want us to dominate and everyone else to be depressed.Those cu.nts are the worst. Fuck the competition, we just want a winning ABs team again. We haven't seen one in a number of years.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet Too many cheerleaders and former players in the NZ media and not enough actual journalists.
Im fucking seething.
This isnt a watershed moment.
It's the culmination of years of mismanagement, fear, protectionism, favouritism and incompetence.
Wouldn't be surprised if Adidas and Altrad walked in the next few years.
This aint a wagon to hitch your horse to.
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That was a pretty abject performance.
Argentina played almost all the rugby., while we seemed to have very little interest in keeping the ball in hand. I guess the few times we did it mostly got fucked up and we were forced back into our half and having to kick.
I thought when we scored a couple of quick tries we'd weathered the storm and would slowly ease away. But, instead we gave up a couple of cards, the Argies roared back and largely dominated the second half.
Very disappointing.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just watched the interview. He may be a good block but S Barrett is no captain. IMHO
Not even a good lock atm.
He was adequate today. Didn’t let the side down with his play.
But his captaincy and control of the team is nonexistent
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just watched the interview. He may be a good block but S Barrett is no captain. IMHO
Not even a good lock atm.
He was adequate today. Didn’t let the side down with his play.
But his captaincy and control of the team is nonexistent
Paddy T is a better lock. We missed him today. Even if fit Tuipulotu would still be playing second fiddle to Barrett but he should be starting with Holland.
Poor discipline.
Probably the worst ABs backline of the pro era.
Still the Pumas are very good when on and had to win sooner or later at home.
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@Jet Adidas were close to bailing when they re-signed 2 years? Ago....although from what I heard it is more an exit of thier rugby sponsorships as opposed to the ABs, but as thier.flagship team, next time....
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet Adidas were close to bailing when they re-signed 2 years? Ago....although from what I heard it is more an exit of thier rugby sponsorships as opposed to the ABs, but as thier.flagship team, next time....
Perhaps we weren’t woke enough for Adidas. That would be a surprise…….
An AB loss by 6 points where we made a mountain of errors, had 3 YCs, couldn’t make the crucial kicks.
In terms of the intangibles and maybe some were alluding to it earlier, but I personally am not a fan of the massive build up for a player milestone game. The stuff during the week and then it’s always a ‘big’ haka. There’s already enough pressure and players seemingly playing ‘not too lose’ - which has been a feature of AB rugby over multiple journeys
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Last 20 minutes was terrible.
Panicking, no leadership, brain farts.I thought it was more they didn’t execute the basics well enough. They had field position, then didn’t win the lineout. Relieved pressure. When it went 26-20, they just needed to settle, kick for territory and squeeze the Pumas into a mistake (which they were making).
As it was, their exits were poor and they compounded that with yet another YC. One YC in a game is bad. But three!!! ABs may be the most carded team right now, but they have earned the reputation. Got to own it now and stop doing stupid shit. Hit lower, don’t change your line, don’t flap at the ball on your goal line!
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I thought it was more they didn’t execute the basics well enough.
This was the hallmark of the great sides. They just did the basics with a low error rate over and over again. It wins shit. It's simple. We don't have to be bigger faster or stronger than others ,just not cough up double digit unforced errors in a game.
The attitude at training comes through. Ryan was on record this week basically saying 'if you're not dropping ball in training you're not trying hard enough. So bring on the drops, I love them.' This caused my simple head to spin a bit - he's a damn good coach, but you train as you play and dropping balls in training kind of feels lik eit's going out onto the pitch at the moment.
Gods we were spoiled for 16 years, and now we're paying the piper.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Please summarize why.
NZR and the Commercial arm of the All Blacks are a shit show currently, pretty much
@Unite said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Please summarize why.
NZR and the Commercial arm of the All Blacks are a shit show currently, pretty much
Umm ... this just popped up on my X feed.
The fuck?
https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1861641135174934977?t=4iohNts5VjI1ug87lRBbfg&s=19
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
We big bigger bodies in to the 23 then get out muscled.
I don't think that's size, just attitude and body position. We did some really good stuff out there up front, but also some utter shithouse play.
Also, Rieko wasn't great, but he was the best of the back 3 out there today. Which makes me shake my head.
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@Unite said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Please summarize why.
NZR and the Commercial arm of the All Blacks are a shit show currently, pretty much
Umm ... this just popped up on my X feed.
The fuck?
https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1861641135174934977?t=4iohNts5VjI1ug87lRBbfg&s=19
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet Adidas were close to bailing when they re-signed 2 years? Ago....although from what I heard it is more an exit of thier rugby sponsorships as opposed to the ABs, but as thier.flagship team, next time....
Perhaps we weren’t woke enough for Adidas. That would be a surprise…….
An AB loss by 6 points where we made a mountain of errors, had 3 YCs, couldn’t make the crucial kicks.
In terms of the intangibles and maybe some were alluding to it earlier, but I personally am not a fan of the massive build up for a player milestone game. The stuff during the week and then it’s always a ‘big’ haka. There’s already enough pressure and players seemingly playing ‘not too lose’ - which has been a feature of AB rugby over multiple journeys
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Perhaps we weren’t woke enough for Adidas. That would be a surprise…….
See my post above ...
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Who’s the captain then? It’s definitely not Savea. He doesn’t have the leadership skills either
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Who’s the captain then? It’s definitely not Savea. He doesn’t have the leadership skills either
Taylor. Trouble is he doesn't play 80.
