All Blacks v Argentina II
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@nzzp Jordie looked good in the NH, then early on v France, but seems we coached the good out of him, again...we def have issues with some of our coaching at all levels.
Edit - also developing game plans to suit our players, seems Fozzie and now Razor have an idea on what they wanted to do (even if not apparent) yet the players simply looked lost alot of the time.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I thought it was more they didn’t execute the basics well enough.
This was the hallmark of the great sides. They just did the basics with a low error rate over and over again. It wins shit. It's simple. We don't have to be bigger faster or stronger than others ,just not cough up double digit unforced errors in a game.
The disappointing thing for me was the little possession we had. In my view you don’t put yourself in a winning possession against decent opposition with only 40% possession. Both teams had a number of high turnovers lost, similar to the Boks and Aussie match, but we didn’t hold on to the ball enough. Our kick rate was quite low this test (on 18 kicks) but we just allowed them to have the ball for too long.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
On the backs - you think some of the problem is that the abs don't have someone playing in that 10 or 12 area who can smash it over the gain line?
There's no-one of the type of Nonu or SBW who can take it hard into contact and attract multiple defenders creating space out wide.
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
Don't have anyone, or don't want to play that way? We seem obsessed with moving it wide, even though most of our tries are built on more direct forward play
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
Dont worry, RMo will be direct
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp Jordie looked good in the NH, then early on v France, but seems we coached the good out of him, again...we def have issues with some of our coaching at all levels.
Edit - also developing game plans to suit our players, seems Fozzie and now Razor have an idea on what they wanted to do (even if not apparent) yet the players simply looked lost alot of the time.
What is our game plan? As soon as we get the ball in our 50m it's a box kick or chip kick straight back and hope for the best. We lost the aerial battle today and us kicking it straight back did nothing to help matters.
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@chimoaus well, I am sure.there is one, but seems we either suck at it, or it's a shitty game plan...probably a bit from column a and b?
I mean look how long we had Ioane at 13, one of the quickest players in the game, and none of what we did was to try and put him in space or create mis-matches, we really are not utilising the players we have...
As to the kicking bs, we'll this ain't a.new issue for us, been poor for years, at hoth super and international level, seems no one is interested in improving this aspect of our games
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
On the backs - you think some of the problem is that the abs don't have someone playing in that 10 or 12 area who can smash it over the gain line?
There's no-one of the type of Nonu or SBW who can take it hard into contact and attract multiple defenders creating space out wide.
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
Don't have anyone, or don't want to play that way? We seem obsessed with moving it wide, even though most of our tries are built on more direct forward play
Yes. The All Blacks actually look like a machine when the pack is firing on all cylinders and they are keeping it tight. The more the backs get their hands on it the more it seems to unravel.
One thing I noticed since Roigard has gone out I feel like they have not really used the blindside as effectively in attack..... The play is just all on the openside. At least it feels that way.
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These stats are not good viewing. How the score is that close beggars belief.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
A bit more anger and a bit less hurt feelings from Razor would be comforting to see.
He doesn't even seem angry that we received three yellow cards, instead responding that they'll have to have a look at the interpretation from the referee. How about not permitting the referee to be able to contemplate it?
What's wrong with stating the performance wasn't acceptable?
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@antipodean when we are down in the rightt part of the field our strike rate to score is excellent if not the best in the world. Problem is we play too much footy in our own half.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
These stats are not good viewing. How the score is that close beggars belief.
That's atrocious
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean when we are down in the rightt part of the field our strike rate to score is excellent if not the best in the world. Problem is we play too much footy in our own half.
It's no surprise we can't play in the right end of the field considering we can't kick or deal with high balls.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to Ratima?
Ribs by the looks of it .... someone landed on him
From when he dropped that pass from Vaa’i off the lineout
From being tackled by a player penalised for being well offside.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
13 all 33 mins
Along with 13 all blacks on the field. This discipline is going to cost us big time in much more important games if we don’t get this sorted
Outside of World Cups and Lions Tours, Rugby Championship games are as important as they get.
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@Grooter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@WoodysRFC also need to hold onto our Eden park fortress streak which won't be easy we've got two Tests there next month
I will be very surprised if we even win one of the two games against SA. Really can't see it happening especially given who we have out. Will probably beat Australia at home and retain the Bledisloe as they seem to have a mental block against us whenever they play in NZ.
